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Beth Spindler on wed 7 mar 07


such good memories of clayart - and in 1996 I thought I had invented the ultimate screen name - handsnclay@aol.com... yep, that was me and then someone posted a note about the book Hands in Clay...I was devastated, someone had come before me and named a book the same as my screen name......of all the
nerve!!! LOL LOL
Also, is Judith still on the list??? from San Diego? she designed and had the A Potter Is....shirt made and took orders from all of us ( I think back in '98')...with Mel's definition on it, front and back.....I still have mine and I ordered a couple of extras as well ...gave one to Seth Cardew last June when I did his workshop in Spain. I have a photo of him wearing it as he threw at the wheel.wish I was going to NCECA.....maybe next year??
YOu guys have a wonderful and safe time.
Beth in VA


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To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 6:50 PM
Subject: clayart history.


i know it has been a long time, and thousands of emails.

we can all hug joe molinaro next week, and make sure he gives us the
dates and times...he is the keeper of the history.
i started the second year.
only about 50 of us.
1996/ i think.
my first email address was:
mel61, as that was my age.
i am now mel72, my age.
11 years ago.
google and yahoo did not exist.
and, we were all thrilled when we heard of:
alta vista
and, our first gathering face to face was las vegas.
at a restaurant, and i sat with ron roy.
the first person i met from clayart was mishy lowe/now katz.
in the lobby of the hotel...by chance.

the clayart room was born from the fact that i walked that
damn hotel for two days and did not know a soul.
and here was all the clayart people wandering around too.
so.
the next year i rented a room for us. the hotel nicked me
for 400 bucks....damn, was i mad.
they said i could have the room for 400 bucks, they
did not say ever, it was 400 a day. that came on my visa bill.
i screamed and yelled and stomped my food over the phone.
so, they took half of it off the bill. i am a great deal wiser now.
the contracts are four pages long, and spelled in english..not texan.


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mel jacobson on wed 7 mar 07


i know it has been a long time, and thousands of emails.

we can all hug joe molinaro next week, and make sure he gives us the
dates and times...he is the keeper of the history.
i started the second year.
only about 50 of us.
1996/ i think.
my first email address was:
mel61, as that was my age.
i am now mel72, my age.
11 years ago.
google and yahoo did not exist.
and, we were all thrilled when we heard of:
alta vista
and, our first gathering face to face was las vegas.
at a restaurant, and i sat with ron roy.
the first person i met from clayart was mishy lowe/now katz.
in the lobby of the hotel...by chance.

the clayart room was born from the fact that i walked that
damn hotel for two days and did not know a soul.
and here was all the clayart people wandering around too.
so.
the next year i rented a room for us. the hotel nicked me
for 400 bucks....damn, was i mad.
they said i could have the room for 400 bucks, they
did not say ever, it was 400 a day. that came on my visa bill.
i screamed and yelled and stomped my food over the phone.
so, they took half of it off the bill. i am a great deal wiser now.
the contracts are four pages long, and spelled in english..not texan.




from: mel/minnetonka.mn.usa
website: http://www.visi.com/~melpots/

Clayart page link: http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html

Lisa E on wed 7 mar 07


Hi Mel;

I have only been on Clayart for 3 months myself and have learned so much
from everyone here!!!! This forum has been a god sent and I wouldn't have
progressed half as much if it wasn't for everyone here.

But a HUGE thank you to you and all of the hours you put in daily to keep
the information flowing.

Every morning I start my day with a cup of coffee and my Clayart emails. It
is such a wonderful way to start my day!

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!

Lisa Elbertsen
www.LisaElbertsen.com
Squamish, BC Canada


On 3/7/07, mel jacobson wrote:
>
> i know it has been a long time, and thousands of emails.
>
> we can all hug joe molinaro next week, and make sure he gives us the
> dates and times...he is the keeper of the history.
> i started the second year.
> only about 50 of us.
> 1996/ i think.
> my first email address was:
> mel61, as that was my age.
> i am now mel72, my age.
> 11 years ago.
> google and yahoo did not exist.
> and, we were all thrilled when we heard of:
> alta vista
> and, our first gathering face to face was las vegas.
> at a restaurant, and i sat with ron roy.
> the first person i met from clayart was mishy lowe/now katz.
> in the lobby of the hotel...by chance.
>
> the clayart room was born from the fact that i walked that
> damn hotel for two days and did not know a soul.
> and here was all the clayart people wandering around too.
> so.
> the next year i rented a room for us. the hotel nicked me
> for 400 bucks....damn, was i mad.
> they said i could have the room for 400 bucks, they
> did not say ever, it was 400 a day. that came on my visa bill.
> i screamed and yelled and stomped my food over the phone.
> so, they took half of it off the bill. i am a great deal wiser now.
> the contracts are four pages long, and spelled in english..not texan.
>
>
>
>
> from: mel/minnetonka.mn.usa
> website: http://www.visi.com/~melpots/
>
> Clayart page link: http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html
>
>
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Richard Aerni on wed 7 mar 07


Hey Mel,
We had a clayart breakfast in Rochester the year NCECA was there. Paula
Sibrack organized it. It seems to me we had about 25-30 of us there. I
remember that Jennifer Boyer was there (she loaned me money!)...Jonathan
Kaplan...I sat next to...(major senior moment here...the wonderful woman
potter from Madison Wisconsin who makes such wonderful teapots)...and I
remember meeting Carla Flati and Russell Fouts there, though I don't know if
they were at the breakfast. We had some kind of badges to wear to identify
ourselves. It was great fun to put faces to names.
Have a great NCECA, one and all!
Richard Aerni
Rochester, NY

Vince Pitelka on wed 7 mar 07


Mel -
The first Clayart gathering face-to-face that I attended was a breakfast at
Rochester NCECA in 1996 with about 50 people. That was the year before Las
Vegas, where there were several hundred people at the breakfast. That's the
last time we did a breakfast. Before the Rochester NCECA, Carla Flati and I
had been engaged in a prolonged knock-down-drag-out Clayart arguement about
the worth of Peter Voulkos's work, and I think some people thought we were
going to climb across the big breakfast table and tear each other's hair
out. Instead we gave each other a big hug and have been friends ever since.
Another charming and attractive person came up to my Craft Center table in
the exhibition hall with a friend and invited me out to lunch. It was Linda
Blossom. We've been fast friends ever since. That was a time, wasn't it?
I joined Clayart in Late 1994 or early 1995 when I was still living in
Cookeville, before I moved up closer to the Craft Center. I remember that
distinctly, but I do not know how long Clayart had been in existence before
I joined.
- Vince

Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft, Tennessee Technological University
Smithville TN 37166, 615/597-6801 x111
vpitelka@dtccom.net, wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
http://www.tntech.edu/craftcenter/

Gail Dapogny on wed 7 mar 07


I've been on Clayart since late 1996; Joe and Richard were the
moderators, and they were great.. I can hardly believe how much time
has gone by. I remember seeing Richard Aerni at the Ann Arbor Art
Fair during the first summer after I'd joined Clayart and confiding
that I could get through Clayart--it was much smaller then-- in about
20 minutes. He laughed gently (but not patronizingly).

When Mel became moderator, we became more than names to one another
via his determined machinations to procure a Clayart suite for us at
NCECA. This was and is a really wonderful thing to do.

Sometimes, being somewhat shy, I hunker down for a while and lurk/
delete until I have more time. But basically Clayart is part of my
life, social, professional, and otherwise. Aside from all the great
friendship stuff, it is the world's best clay resource.
Gail

Gail Dapogny
Ann Arbor, Michigan
gdapogny@umich.edu
www.pottersguild.net
www.claygallery.org


On Mar 7, 2007, at 7:12 PM, Richard Aerni wrote:

> Hey Mel,
> We had a clayart breakfast in Rochester the year NCECA was there.
> Paula
> Sibrack organized it. It seems to me we had about 25-30 of us
> there. I
> remember that Jennifer Boyer was there (she loaned me
> money!)...Jonathan
> Kaplan...I sat next to...(major senior moment here...the wonderful
> woman
> potter from Madison Wisconsin who makes such wonderful
> teapots)...and I
> remember meeting Carla Flati and Russell Fouts there, though I
> don't know if
> they were at the breakfast. We had some kind of badges to wear to
> identify
> ourselves. It was great fun to put faces to names.
> Have a great NCECA, one and all!
> Richard Aerni
> Rochester, NY
>
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>

Lee Love on thu 8 mar 07


Check out the list of oldtimers. Not sure how long after ClayArt
started that it started being posted on Usenet:

http://groups.google.com/group/bit.listserv.clayart/topics?start=19823


My first post in the archives about being a lefty:

http://tinyurl.com/2buv4a


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Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
http://potters.blogspot.com/

"To affect the quality of the day, that is the highest of arts." -
Henry David Thoreau

"Let the beauty we love be what we do." - Rumi

Kathy McDonald on thu 8 mar 07


Wow Lee...

had no idea all those posts were still there....

Thanks for the trip down memory lane.

I had an .edu account back then and remember
being totally afraid that my clay addiction was going to
be discovered,

I was employed to teach and consult to teachers and
I "snuck in" time on clayart after hours.

The "tech" , then called a webmaster, said it was fine,
and interestingly enough, none of those other groups that
I spent legitimate time (teaching related , psych services)
are even alive or active anymore.
Clayart prevails....

Kathy


-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of
Lee Love
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 4:16 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: clayart history.


Check out the list of oldtimers. Not sure how long after
ClayArt
started that it started being posted on Usenet:

http://groups.google.com/group/bit.listserv.clayart/topics?s
tart=19823


My first post in the archives about being a lefty:

http://tinyurl.com/2buv4a


--
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Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
http://potters.blogspot.com/

"To affect the quality of the day, that is the highest of
arts." -
Henry David Thoreau

"Let the beauty we love be what we do." - Rumi

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Jennifer Boyer on thu 8 mar 07


That name is Bacia Edelman. CURSE those senior moments!

I think I started reading Clayart around 1996, with the email
cobalt1994@aol.com. Rochester was my first NCECA and I attended a pre-
conference workshop taught by Robin Hopper. I remember walking quite
a long way from the hotel to the workshop site with Russel Fouts. It
snowed every day I was in Rochester! I had lunch one day with Richard
Aerni and then had the pleasure of seeing him again with his gorgeous
pots when he participated in a fund raising pottery sale organized
by Karen Karnes in my area of Vermont.
Jennifer, in VT where winter is hanging ON!! Forecasts predict 20
below zero tonight.....

On Mar 7, 2007, at 7:12 PM, Richard Aerni wrote:

> Hey Mel,
> We had a clayart breakfast in Rochester the year NCECA was there.
> Paula
> Sibrack organized it. It seems to me we had about 25-30 of us
> there. I
> remember that Jennifer Boyer was there (she loaned me
> money!)...Jonathan
> Kaplan...I sat next to...(major senior moment here...the wonderful
> woman
> potter from Madison Wisconsin who makes such wonderful
> teapots)...and I
> remember meeting Carla Flati and Russell Fouts there, though I
> don't know if
> they were at the breakfast. We had some kind of badges to wear to
> identify
> ourselves. It was great fun to put faces to names.
> Have a great NCECA, one and all!
> Richard Aerni
> Rochester, NY
>

*****************************
Jennifer Boyer
Thistle Hill Pottery
Montpelier, VT
http://thistlehillpottery.com
*****************************

Lee Love on thu 8 mar 07


On 3/8/07, Kathy McDonald wrote:
> Wow Lee...
>
> had no idea all those posts were still there....
>
> Thanks for the trip down memory lane.
>
> I had an .edu account back then and remember
> being totally afraid that my clay addiction was going to
> be discovered,

Welcome!

You can see, my '95 post is "Lee In Pig's Eye", the
original name of Saint Paul. I can't remember if my first address on
ClayArt was a edu address from the UofMn or previous to that, an
email address from a BBS. I have been online since 1984. At first
on a Commodore 64 and a 300baud modem! All we had back then was BBSs
and Fidonet,, Quantum Link (for Commodore only) and CompuServ. My
first months on Quantum Link, I racked up $200 to $300.00 bills!
Luckily, Jean didn't disown me before we were married.

The first time I used a network was the summer of '70
at MSU at the Cyclotron building. The students there indulged us
precocious H.Sers. I played Space Wars on one of their terminals. I
was there for an Engineering and Computer workshop between my
sophomore and junior year in H.S. I remember M.A.S.H. just came out
and I watched it in E. Lansing off campus while I was at the workshop.
I thought for sure, I'd be in Vietnam after graduation. Was going
to be a medic if I got drafted. But the number I drew was 360 and 4H
was initiated in that year (meaning, you wouldn't be drafted unless it
was an emergency.)

--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
http://potters.blogspot.com/

"To affect the quality of the day, that is the highest of arts." -
Henry David Thoreau

"Let the beauty we love be what we do." - Rumi

Antoinette Badenhorst on thu 8 mar 07


Well and my first experiences on clayart were also my first experiences =
in
mastering the computer, internet and English (I had limited skills. =
still
have..). At the same time I also had to learn to pour gas in my car and
drive on the other side of the road. I remember how I eagerly joined in =
1999
(seems like I am the baby here - lol) and how everybody offered help in
every regard..even language errors. Vince Pitelka played a huge role in =
me
getting my green card. This will be my first NCECA and I am eager to =
meet
you all. Please, please, please forgive me if I do not remember faces or
names of those of you that I've met or came in contact with before.=20

=20

Antoinette Badenhorst

105 Westwood Circle

Saltillo MS, 38866

662 869 1651

www.clayandcanvas.com

www.southernartistry.org

=20

=20

Tracey Duivestein on thu 8 mar 07


Gail said
> Sometimes, being somewhat shy, I hunker down for a while and lurk/
> delete until I have more time. But basically Clayart is part of my
> life, social, professional, and otherwise. Aside from all the great
> friendship stuff, it is the world's best clay resource.



I feel I must 2nd that. Without Clayart I would never have made my own
twisted cut-off wire, tried vinegar in my throwing water ("a few drops" - in
how much water? A bowl, bucket or gumboot???), experimented with raku firing
& glazes - I could go on and on.

The archives are a must-read & I am still trying to wade through (??) years
worth (fill it in when a consensus is reached).

A huge thank you to Mel and other moderators for their time & hard work and
to all the contributors. Without you all, there would be no Clayart.

Regards

Tracey Duivestein
(in a slightly cooler Durban, South Africa - still waiting to move)

Vince Pitelka on thu 8 mar 07


Lee wrote:
> Check out the list of oldtimers. Not sure how long after ClayArt
> started that it started being posted on Usenet:
> http://groups.google.com/group/bit.listserv.clayart/topics?start=19823

Lee -
This is interesting. It seems to be a record of posts before the server
moved to ACerS, because the post pretty much stop in May of 1999. I didn't
find the list of oldtimers, but I did find a list of supposed all-time top
posters on Clayart, and I was second, except that they give my old
"dekalb.net" email address that I haven't used in at least eight years.
They also only list 449 posts from me from that period, whereas on the
laptop I have currently, I have sent 1847 posts to Clayart just since
February of 2003. Based on that figure, some people would probably say that
I need to get a life. But I have one, and this is a significant part of it.

I am curious where this list of oldtimers is. The ones I recognized on the
"top posters" list were certainly oldtimers on Clayart, so maybe that's the
list you are referring to.
- Vince

Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft, Tennessee Technological University
Smithville TN 37166, 615/597-6801 x111
vpitelka@dtccom.net, wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
http://www.tntech.edu/craftcenter/

Vince Pitelka on thu 8 mar 07


Lee Love wrote:
> Check out the list of oldtimers. Not sure how long after ClayArt
> started that it started being posted on Usenet:
> http://groups.google.com/group/bit.listserv.clayart/topics?start=19823

Lee -
I looked at my very first post archived on that site, and realized that I
had already been on Clayart for at least a year before this particular
archive began. Does anyone know whether the earlier posts are archived
somewhere? My first post on that archive was written on July 22, 1996 at
1:00 AM to inform my friends on Clayart that I had moved from Cookeville
(where the main TTU campus is located) to a little cabin (that I now own)
near the Craft Center, had purchased a new computer, and had a new email
address (the now-defunct dekalb.net address). It also mentions that I would
be focusing my attention on saving the Craft Center. I realized that the
post was written right after the Tennessee Tech administration announced
their ill-fated attempt to shut down the Craft Center. Anyone who has been
around since then is all-too familiar with how that went, and how the
Clayart membership came forth in such spectacular fashion to assist in our
successful campaign to win the hearts and pocketbooks of the State
Legislature, successfully side-stepping the TTU administration. That's a
different history, but for me it is very much a part of my own Clayart
history.

This means that all of the Clayart posts having to do with the fight to save
the Craft Center in 1996-1998 are archived on that site. Some day I'll go
through them all.

When I lived in Cookeville, I had an ancient Leading Edge XT PC (pre-286)
with a cantankerous dot-matrix printer, and had to call a number at
Tennessee Tech in order to access email. That was my first email account.
It was in effect as soon as I came to TTU in August of 1994, but I didn't
join Clayart until six or eight months later.
- Vince

Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft, Tennessee Technological University
Smithville TN 37166, 615/597-6801 x111
vpitelka@dtccom.net, wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
http://www.tntech.edu/craftcenter/

Vince Pitelka on thu 8 mar 07


Lee -
I went to that page you specified at
http://groups.google.com/group/bit.listserv.clayart/topics?start=19823, but
then clicked on "more group info" on the right, and that's where I found the
other information I mentioned. Now I see what you meant - the names on the
posts on that first page.

I did some more scouting around, and found that there is an earlier group of
my posts in that archive under my old Tennessee Tech address wkp0067 at
tntech.edu, and the earliest one dates from December 15, 1995. Those posts
were all written when I lived in Cookeville, before I moved up to my present
house in July of 1996. So it seems that the oldest posts on that archive
are from mid-December, 1995.

Thanks for finding that archive Lee. This is a kick.
- Vince

Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft, Tennessee Technological University
Smithville TN 37166, 615/597-6801 x111
vpitelka@dtccom.net, wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
http://www.tntech.edu/craftcenter/

Chris Trabka on fri 9 mar 07


>Does anyone know whether the earlier posts are archived
>somewhere?

I have read somewhere that there was a "crash" early in the life of the
archives. Unfortunately, those early archives are lost. Since that time the
archives are "better" protected.

Chris

Megan Mason on fri 9 mar 07


Wow, I remember ''Catlady''.I was on Clayart since the mid 1990's and read
every post daily then.
Mtu19354 was my screen name as my hubby set up our AOL account and I could
not change it then.I posted under his Mason Batchelder as well, later on to
get rid of a stalker ,not from Clayart.
Margaret



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Megan Mason on fri 9 mar 07


I also went to Vegas back then and rented a ''rent a junker'' and it was an
experience.I do not even remember a Clayart room, my memory is getting
bad lately,sadly.

I believe the next NCECA for me was Kansas City, if memory serves.I had the
pleasure of being invited by Don Reitz, as a former student at Penland,
to NAU Clay AZ Art workshop/conference and Mesa tours and got to ride on the
plane with Rudy Audio and his assistant,wow, what a memory!!!!! We also had
the privilege to have gone to Don's home/studio in Red Rock for a great
party and saw his great studio that was full of his current work done following
his fairly recent recovery from a near fatal auto accident then..ah, memory
land how sweet they were.....
I forgot whether San Antonio was NCECA or ACC , back then??
Margaret aka Meg



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Maid O'Mud on fri 9 mar 07


I was on clayart before the Vegas breakfast
meeting (I was THERE!) and was back then known
as "the cat lady". I'm sure I've been participating
on clayart for well over a decade. Trying to
explain Clayart to a non-computer person (my dad)
is almost impossible :-(


Sam Cuttell
Maid O'Mud Pottery
RR 1
Melbourne, Ontario
N0L 1T0
CANADA

"First, the clay told me what to do.
Then, I told the clay what to do.
Now, we co-operate."
sam 1994

http://www.ody.ca/~scuttell/
scuttell@ody.ca


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Lee Love on fri 9 mar 07


On 3/9/07, Vince Pitelka wrote:

> I am curious where this list of oldtimers is. The ones I recognized on the
> "top posters" list were certainly oldtimers on Clayart, so maybe that's the
> list you are referring to.

You must be looking something different. You can read a page of the
first posts archived at bitserv.

Your oldest post at the page I listed is here:

http://tinyurl.com/yonqrj posted as Wenzel K Pitelka Dec 15 1995

The late David Hewitt holds the oldest post there.


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Lee in Mashiko, Japan
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
http://potters.blogspot.com/

"To affect the quality of the day, that is the highest of arts." -
Henry David Thoreau

"Let the beauty we love be what we do." - Rumi

Lee Love on sat 10 mar 07


On 3/10/07, Chris Trabka wrote:

> Since that time the
> archives are "better" protected.

Actually not.

The bitnet/usenet archives are much safer than anything on an
individual server because the information is kept on many redundant
computers.

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Lee in Mashiko, Japan
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
http://potters.blogspot.com/

"To affect the quality of the day, that is the highest of arts." -
Henry David Thoreau

"Let the beauty we love be what we do." - Rumi