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seeking cone 6 glaze - "vee's" or "v's" temmoku gold

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John Rodgers on thu 22 feb 07


I used this glaze back around '99, but in my travels I have lost it.
Georgeous high gloss brown/black with gold flecks floating on the surface.

I have searched the archives but did not see it. Would there be anyone
that might have the recipe and would be willing to share it with me?

Thanks,


John Rodgers
Chelsea, AL

Mert & Holly Kilpatrick on fri 23 feb 07


Cornwall Stone 61
Whiting 8
Gerstley borate 3
Lithium carbonate 5.5
Dolomite 7
Flint 5.5
Red iron oxide 10

My notes say "Veronica Shelford's variation of the Richmond, BC, Potters
Club Red Tenmoku. Red-brown to brown with gold flecks. At cone 5 rich
glossy brown with more dense patches of a more matt gold haze. At cone 7,
glossy dark brown with breaks of medium tan on high spots. This glaze
may have problems if it sits, because it may crystallize, and then the
glaze won't be the same. Someone added 5% flint to improve it - try
that if it crazes."

Holly
East Bangor, PA

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of John Rodgers
>Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:41 PM
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Seeking Cone 6 Glaze - "Vee's" or "V's" Temmoku Gold
>
>I used this glaze back around '99, but in my travels I have lost it.
>Georgeous high gloss brown/black with gold flecks floating on the surface.
>
>I have searched the archives but did not see it. Would there be anyone
>that might have the recipe and would be willing to share it with me?
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>John Rodgers
>Chelsea, AL
>
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John Rodgers on fri 23 feb 07


Holly, That's it.

Thanks so much,

Regards,
John Rodgers
Chelsea, AL

Mert & Holly Kilpatrick wrote:
> Cornwall Stone 61
> Whiting 8
> Gerstley borate 3
> Lithium carbonate 5.5
> Dolomite 7
> Flint 5.5
> Red iron oxide 10
>
> My notes say "Veronica Shelford's variation of the Richmond, BC, Potters
> Club Red Tenmoku. Red-brown to brown with gold flecks. At cone 5 rich
> glossy brown with more dense patches of a more matt gold haze. At cone 7,
> glossy dark brown with breaks of medium tan on high spots. This glaze
> may have problems if it sits, because it may crystallize, and then the
> glaze won't be the same. Someone added 5% flint to improve it - try
> that if it crazes."
>
> Holly
> East Bangor, PA
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of John Rodgers
>> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:41 PM
>> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>> Subject: Seeking Cone 6 Glaze - "Vee's" or "V's" Temmoku Gold
>>
>> I used this glaze back around '99, but in my travels I have lost it.
>> Georgeous high gloss brown/black with gold flecks floating on the surface.
>>
>> I have searched the archives but did not see it. Would there be anyone
>> that might have the recipe and would be willing to share it with me?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> John Rodgers
>> Chelsea, AL
>>
>> ___________________________________________________________________________
>> ___
>> Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>>
>> You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
>> settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
>>
>> Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
>> melpots@pclink.com.
>>
>
>
>
>

Peter H. Pache on fri 23 feb 07


From: "John Rodgers"
Subject: Seeking Cone 6 Glaze - "Vee's" or "V's" Temmoku Gold


<Georgeous high gloss brown/black with gold flecks floating on the =
surface.
Would there be anyone that might have the recipe and would be willing to =

share it with me?>>


Here's what I have:

"V's Tenmoku Gold" (cone 6 ox)


610 Cornwall Stone=20
80 Whiting=20
30 Gerstley Borate=20
100 Red Iron Oxide=20
55 Lithium Carb=20
70 Dolomite=20
55 Silica



Best--

Peter

NM

Bob Johnson on fri 23 feb 07


Is this for oxidation or reduction?

Bob


At 2/23/2007 05:14 AM, you wrote:
>Holly, That's it.
>
>Thanks so much,
>
>Regards,
>John Rodgers
>Chelsea, AL
>
>Mert & Holly Kilpatrick wrote:
>>Cornwall Stone 61
>>Whiting 8
>>Gerstley borate 3
>>Lithium carbonate 5.5
>>Dolomite 7
>>Flint 5.5
>>Red iron oxide 10
>>
>>My notes say "Veronica Shelford's variation of the Richmond, BC, Potters
>>Club Red Tenmoku. Red-brown to brown with gold flecks. At cone 5 rich
>>glossy brown with more dense patches of a more matt gold haze. At cone 7,
>>glossy dark brown with breaks of medium tan on high spots. This glaze
>>may have problems if it sits, because it may crystallize, and then the
>>glaze won't be the same. Someone added 5% flint to improve it - try
>>that if it crazes."
>>
>>Holly
>>East Bangor, PA

Linda Ziesmer on fri 23 feb 07


Roger, this is a cut and paste from the archives of your original message=
! Sorry it's so long guys:

John H. Rodgers on mon 9 mar 98-- [ From: John H. Rodgers * EMC.Ver #2.5.=
02 ] --=20

Bacia,=20

This may be the glaze you want. I got it from Veronica Shelford on Thetis=
=20
Island, BC.=20

"V's" Tenmoku Gold Cone 6 (Electric Kiln)=20
Cornwall Stone 60=20
Whiting 8=20
Gerstley Borate 3=20
Iron Oxide - Red 10=20
Lithium Carb. 5.5=20
Dolomite 7=20
Flint 5.5=20
=3D=3D=3D=3D=20
100=20

I really like this glaze. I have used it on two different clay bodies. On=
a=20
red colored high iron clay it was dark chocolate with golden flecks=20
throughout. The stayed put and did not run. Beautiful. On Cone-5 B-mix fr=
om=20
Laguna Clay, fired to cone 6, it ran just a bit. Georgeous effect....flec=
ks=20
of gold in a translucent caramel color. Some crazing.=20

Suggest you test on vertical surfaces tall enough to significantly test t=
he=20
running quality. Could really make a mess on a shelf.=20

Also, a caution about the mixture. I found that once the ingredients are=20
mixed it needs to be used right away. If allowed to sit unused for even t=
wo=20
or three days, 6-sided crystals begin to grow. These could be a problem,=20
altering the glaze and the way it performs.=20

Enjoy.=20

John Rodgers in Alabama=20
-------- REPLY, Original message follows --------=20

Date: Sunday, 08-Mar-98 02:09 PM=20

From: Bacia Edelman \ Internet: (medelman@facstaff.wisc.edu)=20
To: Clayart \ Internet: (clayart@lsv.uky.edu)=20

Subject: recipe search/tenmoku gold c/6=20

----------------------------Original message----------------------------=20
I am looking for a recipe, gleaned from Clayart within the last yr., call=
ed=20
"Tenmoku Gold" or "Gold Tenmoku" at cone 6 ox. I happen to have a small=20
(1000 gr.) bucket made up and it tested beautifully sometime in the summe=
r=20
perhaps. I have looked everywhere for the notes from which I must have=20
weighed it out and no luck. Also, I really did try the GLAZE DATABASE fro=
m=20
the Ceramics Web, and nothing came up.=20

Is there anyone else on the list who may have copied it or filed or or ev=
en=20
offered it? I would be very grateful. I am not much of a glazer having=20
done more lately with vitreous engobes and lichen or crawl glazes.=20
I was thinking of using it on one of the very few mugs I make to take to=20
NCECA.=20
Thank you all. Bacia Edelman medelman@facstaff.wisc.edu Madison,=20
Wisconsin=20


-------- REPLY, End of original message --------=20

Ed Kraft on mon 9 mar 98Hope this is what you are looking for...=20

Back in August, Veronica Shelford posted the following formula for "V's=20
Tenmoku Gold" (cone 6 ox) to Clayart:=20
61 Cornwall Stone=20
8 Whiting=20
3 Gerstley Borate=20
10 Red Iron Oxide=20
5.5 Lithium Carb=20
7 Dolomite=20
5.5 Flint=20
She described it as her own variation on the Richmond (BC) Potters' Club=20
"Red=20
Tenmoku" and having gold flecks on a red-brown base. I tried it on a warm=
=20
brown clay body and really like the results. For me, at ^6, it is a very=20
deep, glossy chocolate brown with gold flecks. Because of unintentional=20
uneven temps in subsequent firings, I have found that at ^5 the glaze is=20
rich, glossy brown with more dense patches of a more matt gold "haze," an=
d=20
at=20
^7 the gold disappears and the result was glossy dark brown with breaks o=
f=20
medium tan on high spots. The ^5 and ^7 results were obtained after addin=
g=20
5% flint to the original formula to try to correct some flowing and crazi=
ng.=20
Just thought this might be of some interest to those experimenting with=20
Tenmoku glazes in oxidation.=20
Cathie Feild in Maryland=20

Ed Kraft=20
eartharr@msn.com=20


-----Original Message-----=20
From: Bacia Edelman=20
To: Multiple recipients of list CLAYART=20
Date: Sunday, March 08, 1998 11:14 AM=20
Subject: recipe search/tenmoku gold c/6=20


----------------------------Original message----------------------------=20
I am looking for a recipe, gleaned from Clayart within the last yr., call=
ed=20
"Tenmoku Gold" or "Gold Tenmoku" at cone 6 ox. I happen to have a small=20
(1000 gr.) bucket made up and it tested beautifully sometime in the summe=
r=20
perhaps. I have looked everywhere for the notes from which I must have=20
weighed it out and no luck. Also, I really did try the GLAZE DATABASE fro=
m=20
the Ceramics Web, and nothing came up.=20

Is there anyone else on the list who may have copied it or filed or or ev=
en=20
offered it? I would be very grateful. I am not much of a glazer having=20
done more lately with vitreous engobes and lichen or crawl glazes.=20
I was thinking of using it on one of the very few mugs I make to take to=20
NCECA.=20
Thank you all. Bacia Edelman medelman@facstaff.wisc.edu Madison,=20
Wisconsin=20

Anne W. Bracker on mon 9 mar 98I hope this is the glaze you were looking =
for. Good luck.=20
Anne=20
*************************************************************************=
**=20
************************************=20
ORIGINAL POST=20

Back in August, Veronica Shelford posted the following formula for "V's=20
Tenmoku Gold" (cone 6 ox) to Clayart:=20

61 Cornwall Stone=20
8 Whiting=20
3 Gerstley Borate=20
10 Red Iron Oxide=20
5.5 Lithium Carb=20
7 Dolomite=20
5.5 Flint=20

She described it as her own variation on the Richmond (BC) Potters' Club=20
"Red=20
Tenmoku" and having gold flecks on a red-brown base. I tried it on a warm=
=20
brown clay body and really like the results. For me, at ^6, it is a very=20
deep, glossy chocolate brown with gold flecks. Because of unintentional=20
uneven temps in subsequent firings, I have found that at ^5 the glaze is=20
rich, glossy brown with more dense patches of a more matt gold "haze,"=20
and at=20
^7 the gold disappears and the result was glossy dark brown with breaks o=
f=20
medium tan on high spots. The ^5 and ^7 results were obtained after=20
adding=20
5% flint to the original formula to try to correct some flowing and=20
crazing.=20

Just thought this might be of some interest to those experimenting with=20
Tenmoku glazes in oxidation.=20

Cathie Feild in Maryland=20
cfeild@aol.com=20


Bracker Ceramics=20
1835 E 1450 Road=20
Lawrence, KS 66044=20

1 785 841-4750 OFFICE=20
1 785 841-8142 FAX=20
1 888 822-1982 ORDER LINE=20
bracker@midusa.net E-MAIL=20

"Clay Ain't Dirt"=20

=20




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Ron Roy on sun 25 feb 07


Just a warning - glazes with over 2% lithium carb can have unusual fit
problems on some bodies - like crazing and shivering on the same pot.

Crazing is not such a problem but dunting and shivering are good ways to
lose customers fast.

RR


><>Georgeous high gloss brown/black with gold flecks floating on the surface.
>Would there be anyone that might have the recipe and would be willing to
>share it with me?>>
>
>
>Here's what I have:
>
>"V's Tenmoku Gold" (cone 6 ox)
>
>
>610 Cornwall Stone
>80 Whiting
>30 Gerstley Borate
>100 Red Iron Oxide
>55 Lithium Carb
>70 Dolomite
>55 Silica

Ron Roy
RR#4
15084 Little Lake Road
Brighton, Ontario
Canada
K0K 1H0

Neal on mon 26 feb 07


I also thought about the problems with lithium when
seeing this recipe. Any suggested reformulations to
either eliminate the lithium or reduce it to 2
percent or less?

Neal O'Briant



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Ron Roy on tue 27 feb 07


Hi Neal,

First test it on the clays you are using to see if there is a problem.

I tried to sub in a frit with some lithium in it (F3292) - the only one I
have in my materials definition table - but it only has 0.4% lithium so it
does not work to lower the lithium carb.

I just took a quick look through my frit listings and found a few but they
all had too much alumina to be any use.

If you want to do the research and find some available frits with lithium
and not too much alumina I'll try the substitutions.

RR

>I also thought about the problems with lithium when
>seeing this recipe. Any suggested reformulations to
>either eliminate the lithium or reduce it to 2
>percent or less?
>
>Neal O'Briant

Ron Roy
RR#4
15084 Little Lake Road
Brighton, Ontario
Canada
K0K 1H0