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hate me because my handles look like crap

updated fri 22 sep 06

 

Nancy Braches on mon 18 sep 06


Fred

Thank you for the smile you put on my face at the end of a long day!

Handles are personal (as all pottery is, no?)....try making handles different ways. Roll 3 thin strips of clay and braid them, roll a 1/4" slab and cut them, then put your thumb mark down the center.

Here's a tip I learned a long time ago. Make the handles to look like your ear when attached to the mug. After pull the handle and setting the lug on the edge of the table to set up a little, cut at the angle you are going to attach the top to your mug. The top attachment is the most important, a lot of people just finger push the bottom of the handle on since it bears no weight.

Practice practice practice. What I have noticed with my students and handles are these things...they are too round, too thick and too big. They are too impatient to let them sit up long enough to hold their shape. In a studio environment, it's hard to let them hang over the side of tables, wheels, etc since other students may hit them by mistake, so cardboard tubes covered with newspaper work well.

Hope this helps a little, those handles will get better with time and practice and you'll be saying "Don't hate me because my handles are beautiful"

Nancy
Hilltop Pottery

Fred Parker wrote: As many of you know, I'm just learning to throw. I made some mugs, and I
think the basic cylinders turned out pretty well. I like the profiles,
etc. Then I ruined all of them trying to put handles on them.
Apparently, I have the finesse of a ball-peen hammer.

Can anyone recommend a good way to learn how to make and attach a nice mug
handle that doesn't look like a second grade crafts project? I REALLY
need help...

Many thanks,

Fred Parker

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claybair on mon 18 sep 06


Fred,
Welcome to the ever present learning curve.
There have been multiple threads on this subject
do a Clayart archive or google search.
See Bill van Gilder's demo on DIY or online
http://www.diynetwork.com/diy/cr_clay/article/0,2025,DIY_13750_4182839,00.ht
ml
With limited info it sounds to me like you attached the handles when the
clay was too wet. Keep at it. Personally I take on a project every year this
past year it has been mugs as I hated making mugs because my handles were so
terrible. I'm getting better.

Best regards,
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
Tucson, AZ
http://claybair.com

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Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 1:46 PM
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Subject: Hate me because my handles look like crap


As many of you know, I'm just learning to throw. I made some mugs, and I
think the basic cylinders turned out pretty well. I like the profiles,
etc. Then I ruined all of them trying to put handles on them.
Apparently, I have the finesse of a ball-peen hammer.

Can anyone recommend a good way to learn how to make and attach a nice mug
handle that doesn't look like a second grade crafts project? I REALLY
need help...

Many thanks,

Fred Parker

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Fred Parker on mon 18 sep 06


As many of you know, I'm just learning to throw. I made some mugs, and I
think the basic cylinders turned out pretty well. I like the profiles,
etc. Then I ruined all of them trying to put handles on them.
Apparently, I have the finesse of a ball-peen hammer.

Can anyone recommend a good way to learn how to make and attach a nice mug
handle that doesn't look like a second grade crafts project? I REALLY
need help...

Many thanks,

Fred Parker

Patrick Cross on mon 18 sep 06


The simple answer is make a ton of them...and at first, you don't
necessarily have to attach them to forms you've thrown. Make some and stick
'em on things like soup cans...or the wall in you're studio...

Patrick Cross (cone10soda)


On 9/18/06, Fred Parker wrote:
>
> As many of you know, I'm just learning to throw. I made some mugs, and I
> think the basic cylinders turned out pretty well. I like the profiles,
> etc. Then I ruined all of them trying to put handles on them.
> Apparently, I have the finesse of a ball-peen hammer.
>
> Can anyone recommend a good way to learn how to make and attach a nice mug
> handle that doesn't look like a second grade crafts project? I REALLY
> need help...
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Fred Parker
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________________
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dwichman@frontiernet.net on mon 18 sep 06


Here is short how-to on handles from DYI:

http://www.diynetwork.com/diy/cr_clay/article/0,2025,DIY_13750_4182839,00.html


Debi Wichman
Cookeville, Tennessee
http:www.elementterra.com

Tony Ferguson on mon 18 sep 06


Fred,

You sound like a perfect person to try out my new handle makers. Send my your address.

Tony Ferguson


Fred Parker wrote:
As many of you know, I'm just learning to throw. I made some mugs, and I
think the basic cylinders turned out pretty well. I like the profiles,
etc. Then I ruined all of them trying to put handles on them.
Apparently, I have the finesse of a ball-peen hammer.

Can anyone recommend a good way to learn how to make and attach a nice mug
handle that doesn't look like a second grade crafts project? I REALLY
need help...

Many thanks,

Fred Parker

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Lynn Goodman Porcelain Pottery on mon 18 sep 06


This is the exercise I make my students do when we learn handles: a
handle tree. Throw a large cylinder. Let it get to leather-hard. (You
don't have to trim it.) Pull as many handles as you can to fill up the
cylinder; top, bottom, different styles, however. If you need to, make
another handle tree. This will give you lots of handle-pulling
experience, which is the only way to get good at handles.

Good luck,
Lynn


On Sep 18, 2006, at 4:46 PM, Fred Parker wrote:

> As many of you know, I'm just learning to throw. I made some mugs,
> and I
> think the basic cylinders turned out pretty well. I like the profiles,
> etc. Then I ruined all of them trying to put handles on them.
> Apparently, I have the finesse of a ball-peen hammer.
>
> Can anyone recommend a good way to learn how to make and attach a nice
> mug
> handle that doesn't look like a second grade crafts project? I REALLY
> need help...
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Fred Parker
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
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>
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logan johnson on mon 18 sep 06


Now Tony,

Did you REALLY think you could drop a bomb like "my new handle maker" on Clayart without starting a feeding frenzy among us tool junkies ??? You know we at the very least have to see the new tool!!!
Logan

Tony Ferguson wrote:
Fred,

You sound like a perfect person to try out my new handle makers. Send my your address.

Tony Ferguson


Fred Parker wrote:
As many of you know, I'm just learning to throw. I made some mugs, and I
think the basic cylinders turned out pretty well. I like the profiles,
etc. Then I ruined all of them trying to put handles on them.
Apparently, I have the finesse of a ball-peen hammer.

Can anyone recommend a good way to learn how to make and attach a nice mug
handle that doesn't look like a second grade crafts project? I REALLY
need help...

Many thanks,

Fred Parker

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Tony Ferguson
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Artist, Educator, Web Meister
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fergy@cpinternet.com
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Ivor and Olive Lewis on tue 19 sep 06


Dear Fred Parker,

In the beginning so did mine. But then I met up with a chap called Peter =
Anderson who was a full time potter and also the Director of the Jam =
Factory Ceramics Workshop. He taught us how to make handles that look as =
though they grow from the pot like tendrils from a vine.

Seth Cardew is no slouch at the task either.

I doubt this skill can be learned by reading instructions from a book. =
You have to have a good demonstrator and coach. And you have to devote a =
ton of clay to the learning task.

Best regards,

Janine Roubik on tue 19 sep 06


Ooooh OoooH Ooooh! Can I try one too? I'm not a fan of pulling handles - it makes my husband giggle for some reason! ; )
Janine Roubik, Milwaukee, WI


logan johnson wrote:
Now Tony,

Did you REALLY think you could drop a bomb like "my new handle maker" on Clayart without starting a feeding frenzy among us tool junkies ??? You know we at the very least have to see the new tool!!!
Logan

Tony Ferguson wrote:
Fred,

You sound like a perfect person to try out my new handle makers. Send my your address.

Tony Ferguson


Fred Parker wrote:
As many of you know, I'm just learning to throw. I made some mugs, and I
think the basic cylinders turned out pretty well. I like the profiles,
etc. Then I ruined all of them trying to put handles on them.
Apparently, I have the finesse of a ball-peen hammer.

Can anyone recommend a good way to learn how to make and attach a nice mug
handle that doesn't look like a second grade crafts project? I REALLY
need help...

Many thanks,

Fred Parker

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Tony Ferguson
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Duluth, Minnesota
Artist, Educator, Web Meister
fergyart@yahoo.com
fergy@cpinternet.com
(218) 727-6339
http://www.aquariusartgallery.com
http://www.tonyferguson.net

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Logan Johnson
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Yakima, WA 98902
509.469.6966
www.audeostudios.com
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Bonnie Staffel on wed 20 sep 06


Hi all,

When I was going full blast with my studio in Charlevoix, I paid my
apprentices a small stipend to help me in the studio. Had to produce a =
lot
of handles for the many mugs we made. So to teach my apprentice, I had =
to
pay her as well. Being a frugal type, I had to come up with an item =
that
would be saleable from her practice efforts. So I designed a way for =
her to
make napkin rings from the pulled trials. We got pretty fancy with clay
additions to the rings and they sold very well. =20

Bonnie Staffel

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Fred Parker on wed 20 sep 06


Dear Ivor:

Was that Peter Anderson from the U.S. by any chance? Mississippi?
Shearwater Pottery in Ocean Springs?

And thanks for reminding me this is going to take a lot of clay and a lot
of patience and some good mentoring. I have received some great advice
from Clayart folks, and it is still coming. What a group!

Fred Parker



On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:09:20 +0930, Ivor and Olive Lewis
wrote:

>Dear Fred Parker,
>
>In the beginning so did mine. But then I met up with a chap called Peter
Anderson who was a full time potter and also the Director of the Jam
Factory Ceramics Workshop. He taught us how to make handles that look as
though they grow from the pot like tendrils from a vine.
>
>Seth Cardew is no slouch at the task either.
>
>I doubt this skill can be learned by reading instructions from a book.
You have to have a good demonstrator and coach. And you have to devote a
ton of clay to the learning task.
>
>Best regards,
>
>__________________________________________________________________________
____
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melpots@pclink.com.

Mitch Kotula on wed 20 sep 06


Linda Christianson (sorry if I mis-spelled her name) got me over my hatred of doing handles and taught me some techniques during an one-day workshop at Lill Street Studio in Chicago.

Her attitude changed mine and, as she does, every day begins with 5 mugs which need handles. Doing handles makes it easier and the bonus is that in a 20-day month you make 100 mugs while becoming more and more proficient.

I still don't LOVE doing handles as she does, but now handles are just part of the forming process.

Thank you, Linda.

Mitch


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je motzkin on wed 20 sep 06


Come on over and in an hour I can teach you how to pull mug handles right off the pot so they look like they grew there.

Or find a potter near you who can show you. You will love yourself.

Practice pulling handles off of plastic cups or bisque cylinder so you don't ruin all your cylinders in the process. Make a hundred. or twenty.

Judy


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Nancy Braches on thu 21 sep 06


Or...ruin the cylinders so you can throw more and get even better at that basic pottery move....just reclaim the clay and do it all over again :)

Nancy
Hilltop Pottery

je motzkin wrote: Come on over and in an hour I can teach you how to pull mug handles right off the pot so they look like they grew there.

Or find a potter near you who can show you. You will love yourself.

Practice pulling handles off of plastic cups or bisque cylinder so you don't ruin all your cylinders in the process. Make a hundred. or twenty.

Judy


617-547-5513
jmotzkin at yahoo.com
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http://spiritkeeper-urns.com

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