Kathy Forer on sun 4 jun 06
On Jun 4, 2006, at 6:16 PM, Russel Fouts wrote:
> By support, I mean can it make use of it or just run as normal,
> ignoring it or will it crash? Or do I need an upgrade?
Photoshop 7 is fairly old as far as Adobe is concerned. Right now
they're on CS2 which would be the equivalent of 9.0. Neither CS2 not
7.0 run natively on Intel processors, i.e. they are not "universal"
binaries.
http://blogs.adobe.com/scottbyer/2006/03/macintosh_and_t.html
That said, you should be fine running PhotoShop 7.01 under Rosetta
(the emulator that enables non-universal or non-recompiled
applications to work with the Intel processors) but it will probably
be slow. Though also possibly faster than what you're upgrading from.
http://www.macobserver.com/article/2003/08/20.15.shtml
Try GIMPshop (GIMP -- GNU Image Manipulation Program -- with a PS-
like wrapper) http://www.gimpshop.net/ either until CS3 is released
or in lieu of it. It's open source and free. (GNU is Not Unix) http://
www.auditmypc.com/acronym/GNU.asp .
Kathy Forer
http://www.foreverink.com
Scott Harrison on sun 4 jun 06
Russel,
PS 7 will run fine on the new Intel Mac machines. Check out http://
www.apple.com/rosetta/ to see why. I just got a new iMac with the
Dual Intel chip and it is really fast. Also boots into Windows XP if
you want. My school uses a PC based attendance program which I can
now run concurrently with Mac OS 10 using Parallels http://
www.parallels.com/.
Scott Harrison
South Fork High School
Humboldt Redwoods CA
Fredrick Paget on sun 4 jun 06
>By support, I mean can it make use of it or just run as normal,
>ignoring it or will it crash? Or do I need an upgrade?
>Russel
>
Classic software will not run at all on the new Intel dual core Macs.
But although Photoshop 7 runs on Classic, it will also run on OS X.
It is a bird with two beaks.
So it will run in the emulator that they are including in the new
Intel Macs. If you want to run native in the Intels you will have to
wait for the upgrade from Adobe which isn't out yet and it will be 3
versions beyond 7.
--
From Fred &Nan Paget,
No Tengo Rancho,
Marin County,
California, USA
fredrick@well.com
Brian Fistler on sun 4 jun 06
On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 00:16 +0200, Russel Fouts wrote:
> By support, I mean can it make use of it or just run as normal,
> ignoring it or will it crash? Or do I need an upgrade?
>
[snip]
Photoshop has been multi-threaded for years, PS 7 should take advantage
of the extra processing power of a dual core CPU, as the same code that
takes advantage of multi-cpu high-end workstations will take advantage
of multi core CPU's.
You won't see it working "twice as fast" (There is ALWAYS significant
overhead) but you should see a definite improvement over a single-core
CPU of the same speed.
Brian
Brian Fistler on sun 4 jun 06
On Sun, 2006-06-04 at 16:47 -0700, Scott Harrison wrote:
> Russel,
>
> PS 7 will run fine on the new Intel Mac machines.
[snip]
Looking at Russe's email headers, it appears he is running on a windows
machine (Using Eudora email client even.)
Brian
Russel Fouts on mon 5 jun 06
By support, I mean can it make use of it or just run as normal,
ignoring it or will it crash? Or do I need an upgrade?
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Russel Fouts on mon 5 jun 06
Fred, Brian, Scott,
Thanks to Brian for finally figuring it out. I'm wasn't talking about
an Intel Mac. I was askig about Intel's Dual-Core processor for PC
and Photoshop 7 for PC.
So, does it?
Just a PC guy, backward, I know but, hey, it's my living. And doesn't
Eudora run on Mac, that was the first place I ever heard of it.
Russel
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Russel on mon 5 jun 06
>> Neither CS2 nor 7.0 run natively on Intel processors, i.e. they are
not "universal" binaries. <<
I had a look at your link. That's a problem for mac users going from Power
PCs (or, i guess macs) to the Intel mac.
This isn't a problem for PC users. I've been running Photoshop 7.0 quite
successfully and fairly quickly on a Dell Dimension with an Intel 2.8 Ghz
processor and 512 MB of ram under Windows 2000 for several years now.
Photoshop has run on PC's for many, many years now folks and I do know that
CS2 will also run because I installed the trial version on a test PC to see
what it looked like. (So will all those other wonderful Adobe programs).
Wish I could find a PC version of Escher-Sketch. It was a great tesselation
program (tile patterning).
Russel
On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:26:55 -0400, Kathy Forer wrote:
>On Jun 4, 2006, at 6:16 PM, Russel Fouts wrote:
>
>> By support, I mean can it make use of it or just run as normal,
>> ignoring it or will it crash? Or do I need an upgrade?
>
>Photoshop 7 is fairly old as far as Adobe is concerned. Right now
>they're on CS2 which would be the equivalent of 9.0. Neither CS2 not
>7.0 run natively on Intel processors, i.e. they are not "universal"
>binaries.
>http://blogs.adobe.com/scottbyer/2006/03/macintosh_and_t.html
>
>That said, you should be fine running PhotoShop 7.01 under Rosetta
>(the emulator that enables non-universal or non-recompiled
>applications to work with the Intel processors) but it will probably
>be slow. Though also possibly faster than what you're upgrading from.
>http://www.macobserver.com/article/2003/08/20.15.shtml
>
>Try GIMPshop (GIMP -- GNU Image Manipulation Program -- with a PS-
>like wrapper) http://www.gimpshop.net/ either until CS3 is released
>or in lieu of it. It's open source and free. (GNU is Not Unix) http://
>www.auditmypc.com/acronym/GNU.asp .
>
>Kathy Forer
>http://www.foreverink.com
>
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Kathy Forer on mon 5 jun 06
On Jun 5, 2006, at 5:23 PM, Russel wrote:
>>> Neither CS2 nor 7.0 run natively on Intel processors, i.e. they are
> not "universal" binaries. <<
>
> I had a look at your link. That's a problem for mac users going
> from Power
> PCs (or, i guess macs) to the Intel mac.
>
> This isn't a problem for PC users. I've been running Photoshop 7.0
> quite
> successfully and fairly quickly on a Dell Dimension with an Intel
> 2.8 Ghz
> processor and 512 MB of ram under Windows 2000 for several years now.
Ah, I wasn't even considering you might be running Windows XP on the
MacBook. Of course, Photoshop for Windows runs very well on a dual
processing MacTel laptop. Bootcamp Benchmarks here: http://
www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1617
> Wish I could find a PC version of Escher-Sketch. It was a great
> tesselation
> program (tile patterning).
Neat!
Far less dynamic but still interesting, try Mosaics for Mac OS X if
you get MacBook :
http://homepage.mac.com/knarf/MacOSaiX/
Kathy
Kathy Forer on mon 5 jun 06
On Jun 5, 2006, at 5:14 PM, Russel Fouts wrote:
> Thanks to Brian for finally figuring it out. I'm wasn't talking about
> an Intel Mac. I was askig about Intel's Dual-Core processor for PC
> and Photoshop 7 for PC.
Okay, I misread it a second time. It's just the MacTel dual
processing benchmarks are so good... I thought you were a "switcher."
Kathy Forer
occasional professional Mac evangelist
Brian Fistler on mon 5 jun 06
On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 23:14 +0200, Russel Fouts wrote:
> Fred, Brian, Scott,
>
> Thanks to Brian for finally figuring it out. I'm wasn't talking about
> an Intel Mac. I was askig about Intel's Dual-Core processor for PC
> and Photoshop 7 for PC.
>
> So, does it?
>
> Just a PC guy, backward, I know but, hey, it's my living. And doesn't
> Eudora run on Mac, that was the first place I ever heard of it.
Russel,
It will run fine on a dual-core machine, and even 7 should take
advantage of the dual processors. Remember, Photoshop has been around
along time, and always as a high-end graphics editing suite. It was ran
on dual cpu (2 seperate CPU's instead of 2 seperate cores in 1 CPU) for
a lot longer than the PC world has had dual-core CPU's around. It's
those graphic artists and 3D C-A-D people who were the demand for
multi-CPU "workstations" in the first place.
As far as the operating system is concerned, a dual-core CPU is
absolutely no different than a high-end multi-CPU workstation.
It'll work, no problem.
On, the otherhand, if you are upgrading your hardware yourself and are
not at least running windows 2000 or XP, plan on having to upgrade the
operating system, because 98 & 95 won't install on most modern hardware,
but if you're going out and buying a whole new computer with XP already
on it, and are just going to use your existing Photoshop 7 on it, no
problems at all.
Brian
Russel on mon 5 jun 06
Brian,
>> It will run fine on a dual-core machine, and even 7 should take
advantage of the dual processors. <<
Thanks for the clarification.
>> On, the otherhand, if you are upgrading your hardware yourself and are
not at least running windows 2000 or XP, plan on having to upgrade the
operating system, because 98 & 95 won't install on most modern hardware,
but if you're going out and buying a whole new computer with XP already on
it, and are just going to use your existing Photoshop 7 on it, no problems
at all. <<
Actually, I'm a lazy IT professional. I have to do enough messing around
with PCs in the workplace that it's nice to have someone else do the work
for a change. That's why it will be a new Dell 9150, Dual-Core PC with XP
already on it.
Russel Fouts
Mes Potes & Mes Pots
Brussels, Belgium
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Brian Fistler on mon 5 jun 06
On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 18:08 -0400, Kathy Forer wrote:
[snip]
> Ah, I wasn't even considering you might be running Windows XP on the
> MacBook.
[snip]
And on the otherhand I would have assumed he was running a windows-based
PC... (That's all I deal with day-in and day-out minus about 10
Micky-soft servers, a dozen or so linux servers... and a hand-full of
linux workstations at home.) But with everyone else answering MAC
related and not seeing anything about mac in his original posting, I
figured I'd just double-check by seeing what email client he was posting
with :)
Brian
Kathy Forer on mon 5 jun 06
On Jun 5, 2006, at 7:55 PM, Brian Fistler wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 18:08 -0400, Kathy Forer wrote:
> [snip]
>> Ah, I wasn't even considering you might be running Windows XP on the
>> MacBook.
> [snip]
>
> And on the otherhand I would have assumed he was running a windows-
> based
> PC... (That's all I deal with day-in and day-out minus about 10
> Micky-soft servers, a dozen or so linux servers... and a hand-full of
> linux workstations at home.) But with everyone else answering MAC
> related and not seeing anything about mac in his original posting, I
> figured I'd just double-check by seeing what email client he was
> posting
> with :)
And I saw your post on the windows Eudora headers and thought he was
looking to get one of the new MacTel dual processors, that he was a
potential "switcher." Despite some enduring caveats, the Mac
community is pretty typically blindly excited by its new hardware
options, also by Bootcamp, so it would seem we pounced lemming-like.
A hapless denizen of the inbred but expanding Apple universe, I work
"day-in and day-out" on Macs and Mac servers, with a handful of
winboxes thrown in to keep me in touch with what most people have to
deal with, i.e. spybot, AVG, memory leaks, core clunkiness... But
that's another board, we don't need to have a war to talk about
flames here (or something like that :)
Kathy
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