susan roston on tue 8 nov 05
David,
Shimpo has a wheel the RK2 and the RK2 Whisper (I believe but I could be
wrong) they both have a foot pedal and a stick that controls the speed
from super fast to super, super slow and it will remain at a constant
speed.with out compromising control.
At my studio we have the RK2 with the stick and foot pedal I use the stick
control when I need to be a slow poke.
Susan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcia Selsor"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: Real slow with electric wheels?
> The Bailey wheel is a slow electric in my opinion. See if you can
> test drive one. I like mine.
> I prefer throwing slow. My students always complained I was too fast
> when I was demonstrating. That was in kick wheels
> and sometimes on Model C Brents. Anyway, I like this Bailey that I
> got about 5 years ago. Suits me.
> Marcia Selsor
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2005, at 11:16 AM, David Gallagher wrote:
>
> > Im wondering if any one has any suggestions and ideas about finding
> > a solution to my little issue here.
> >
> > I learned to throw on a kickwheel, and still use one for most of my
> > throwing. Due to my breaking my hip when I was younger Im worried
> > about continuing using it over the years. The problem is that all
> > of the electric wheels I have used are unable to attain the slower
> > speeds that I perfer the wheel to be going at when I am finishing
> > off a pot. I am thinking about getting a motor drive for my kick
> > wheel to do the grunt work in the beging, but Im wondering if any
> > one knows of any wheels that will provide consistant power at very
> > slow speeds. Ive used brents and bailey wheels and both dont seem
> > to make the grade for my wants. Thanks for any input
> >
> > David
> >
> > out side of Philly.
> >
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David Gallagher on tue 8 nov 05
Im wondering if any one has any suggestions and ideas about finding a solution to my little issue here.
I learned to throw on a kickwheel, and still use one for most of my throwing. Due to my breaking my hip when I was younger Im worried about continuing using it over the years. The problem is that all of the electric wheels I have used are unable to attain the slower speeds that I perfer the wheel to be going at when I am finishing off a pot. I am thinking about getting a motor drive for my kick wheel to do the grunt work in the beging, but Im wondering if any one knows of any wheels that will provide consistant power at very slow speeds. Ive used brents and bailey wheels and both dont seem to make the grade for my wants. Thanks for any input
David
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pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on tue 8 nov 05
HI David,
I am interested in this also.
At times, I have had fantasies about building eddie-Current Motor type
Potter's Wheels which of course would have huge torque and very slow rpm
even in direct drive.
I wonder if any Manufacturers have ever done this?
Prolly not...
Phil
el v
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Gallagher"
> Im wondering if any one has any suggestions and ideas about finding a
solution to my little issue here.
>
> I learned to throw on a kickwheel, and still use one for most of my
throwing. Due to my breaking my hip when I was younger Im worried about
continuing using it over the years. The problem is that all of the electric
wheels I have used are unable to attain the slower speeds that I perfer the
wheel to be going at when I am finishing off a pot. I am thinking about
getting a motor drive for my kick wheel to do the grunt work in the beging,
but Im wondering if any one knows of any wheels that will provide consistant
power at very slow speeds. Ive used brents and bailey wheels and both dont
seem to make the grade for my wants. Thanks for any input
>
> David
>
> out side of Philly.
Hank Murrow on tue 8 nov 05
On Nov 8, 2005, at 10:16 AM, David Gallagher wrote:
>
> I learned to throw on a kickwheel, and still use one for most of my
> throwing. Due to my breaking my hip when I was younger Im worried
> about continuing using it over the years. The problem is that all of
> the electric wheels I have used are unable to attain the slower speeds
> that I perfer the wheel to be going at when I am finishing off a pot.
> I am thinking about getting a motor drive for my kick wheel to do the
> grunt work in the beging, but Im wondering if any one knows of any
> wheels that will provide consistant power at very slow speeds. Ive
> used brents and bailey wheels and both dont seem to make the grade for
> my wants.
I believe that Soldner wheels have the slow speed control you are
looking for, due in large part to their rheostat-based foot pedal.
Cheers, Hank in Eugene
> www.murrow.biz/hank
Michael Wendt on tue 8 nov 05
David,
Pulley size is the culprit. The standard ratio employed for most potters
wheels is 10:1. As a result, the low end smoothness and torque suffer.
This is due to a problem of center distance and frictional limitations. As
two pulleys vary in size by a larger and larger degree, the smaller pulley
has less and less contact with the belt unless the pulley centers are moved
farther apart.
Use of a back idler pulley allows the use of a 14" or 16" pulley in
conjunction with the 1" pulley on the motor, but
adding a dc drive motor with speed controller to the kick wheel would help
get past this inherent drive problem.
Surplus dc motors are inexpensive at www.surpluscenter.com
Regards,
Michael Wendt
Wendt Pottery
2729 Clearwater Ave
Lewiston, Idaho 83501
USA
wendtpot@lewiston.com
www.wendtpottery.com
you wrote:
Im wondering if any one has any suggestions and ideas about finding a
solution to my little issue here.
I learned to throw on a kickwheel, and still use one for most of my
throwing. Due to my breaking my hip when I was younger Im worried about
continuing using it over the years. The problem is that all of the electric
wheels I have used are unable to attain the slower speeds that I perfer the
wheel to be going at when I am finishing off a pot. I am thinking about
getting a motor drive for my kick wheel to do the grunt work in the beging,
but Im wondering if any one knows of any wheels that will provide consistant
power at very slow speeds. Ive used brents and bailey wheels and both dont
seem to make the grade for my wants. Thanks for any input
David
out side of Philly.
Twirt at Hutchtel on tue 8 nov 05
David....I know for a fact that the Creative Industries wheels can be slowed
by adjusting the electronics. You can adjust the start speed and the top
speed. Mine's set to about 60 rpm for the reason you discuss...kickwheel
speeds are far better. I learned that on a Leach Treadle. Drives other
potters nuts to throw on my wheel.
Tom Wirt
Subject: Real slow with electric wheels?
> Im wondering if any one has any suggestions and ideas about finding a
> solution to my little issue here.
>
> I learned to throw on a kickwheel, and still use one for most of my
> throwing. Due to my breaking my hip when I was younger Im worried about
> continuing using it over the years. The problem is that all of the
> electric wheels I have used are unable to attain the slower speeds that I
> perfer the wheel to be going at when I am finishing off a pot. I am
> thinking about getting a motor drive for my kick wheel to do the grunt
> work in the beging, but Im wondering if any one knows of any wheels that
> will provide consistant
lela martens on tue 8 nov 05
Hi David,
The Brents at our guild room don`t do the very slow, consistant speed
either, but my own Shimpo does. It`s about 10 years old, so I don`t know if
they still make it, it`s the orange type, or replaced it with the newer
Whisper. So, you might want to test a couple of them.
Good luck with that, Lela on the Canadian prairie where we doubt that those
east of Manitoba really understand `Corner Gas.`
:>)
>From: David Gallagher
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Real slow with electric wheels?
>Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 10:16:41 -0800
>
>Im wondering if any one has any suggestions and ideas about finding a
>solution to my little issue here.
>
>I learned to throw on a kickwheel, and still use one for most of my
>throwing. Due to my breaking my hip when I was younger Im worried about
>continuing using it over the years. The problem is that all of the electric
>wheels I have used are unable to attain the slower speeds that I perfer the
>wheel to be going at when I am finishing off a pot. I am thinking about
>getting a motor drive for my kick wheel to do the grunt work in the beging,
>but Im wondering if any one knows of any wheels that will provide
>consistant power at very slow speeds. Ive used brents and bailey wheels and
>both dont seem to make the grade for my wants. Thanks for any input
>
>David
>
>out side of Philly.
>
>
>
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claybair on tue 8 nov 05
David,
Head over to your local supplier and try the showroom wheels.
They should have numerous makes and models.
I'm sure you'll find one to suit your needs.
best regards,
Gayle Bair - an ole Philly girl!
Bainbridge Island, WA
Tucson, AZ
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-----Original Message-----
From: David Gallagher
Im wondering if any one has any suggestions and ideas about finding a
solution to my little issue here.
I learned to throw on a kickwheel, and still use one for most of my
throwing. Due to my breaking my hip when I was younger Im worried about
continuing using it over the years. The problem is that all of the electric
wheels I have used are unable to attain the slower speeds that I perfer the
wheel to be going at when I am finishing off a pot. I am thinking about
getting a motor drive for my kick wheel to do the grunt work in the beging,
but Im wondering if any one knows of any wheels that will provide consistant
power at very slow speeds. Ive used brents and bailey wheels and both dont
seem to make the grade for my wants. Thanks for any input
David
out side of Philly.
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Marcia Selsor on tue 8 nov 05
The Bailey wheel is a slow electric in my opinion. See if you can
test drive one. I like mine.
I prefer throwing slow. My students always complained I was too fast
when I was demonstrating. That was in kick wheels
and sometimes on Model C Brents. Anyway, I like this Bailey that I
got about 5 years ago. Suits me.
Marcia Selsor
On Nov 8, 2005, at 11:16 AM, David Gallagher wrote:
> Im wondering if any one has any suggestions and ideas about finding
> a solution to my little issue here.
>
> I learned to throw on a kickwheel, and still use one for most of my
> throwing. Due to my breaking my hip when I was younger Im worried
> about continuing using it over the years. The problem is that all
> of the electric wheels I have used are unable to attain the slower
> speeds that I perfer the wheel to be going at when I am finishing
> off a pot. I am thinking about getting a motor drive for my kick
> wheel to do the grunt work in the beging, but Im wondering if any
> one knows of any wheels that will provide consistant power at very
> slow speeds. Ive used brents and bailey wheels and both dont seem
> to make the grade for my wants. Thanks for any input
>
> David
>
> out side of Philly.
>
>
>
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Gail Fullerton on tue 8 nov 05
I'm a senior citizen with cranky hips. I use Lockerbie kick wheel with t=
he
added motor. I turn on the motor to center and maybe open, then turn it =
off
and kick to finish. =
Works great for me.
Gail in Fairbanks AK
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Marek & Pauline Drzazga-Donaldson on wed 9 nov 05
Dear David,
I throw on a Continental Momentum Kickwheel, which is brilliant - based =
on Michael Cardews design in Pioneer Pottery. Brilliant wheel, but I =
needed an electric one that could go as slow and with as much torque, =
throwing up to 120 -150 lbs Ias my momentum will do). Potter's Mate in =
the guise of Malcolm Headley-Saw in Suffolk UK built me a special - this =
is also brilliant, good and slow and masses of torque.
Now I know you are in the USA, and Malcolm is in England, but I am sure =
that someone in the States would be able to copy Malcolm and build you a =
similar wheel.
Happy potting from Marek www.no9uk.com www.moley.uk.com
Gordon Ward on wed 9 nov 05
Hi David,
This is why I built a wheel using a 10:1 gear reducer. Then I was able
to further reduce the speed using standard vee belts. I don't know if
there is a commercial wheel out there with a speed reduction greater
than 10:1. I also recently picked up and old Shimpo RK model. It has
very good low end with high torque due to the cone drive mechanism.
The only drag is that they don't make certain parts for them anymore.
I really like this wheel because it has the hand control built in,
which is great for stand up throwing.
Gordon
On Nov 8, 2005, at 1:42 PM, Michael Wendt wrote:
> The problem is that all of the electric
> wheels I have used are unable to attain the slower speeds that I
> perfer the
> wheel to be going at when I am finishing off a pot. I am thinking about
> getting a motor drive for my kick wheel to do the grunt work in the
> beging,
> but Im wondering if any one knows of any wheels that will provide
> consistant
> power at very slow speeds. Ive used brents and bailey wheels and both
> dont
> seem to make the grade for my wants. Thanks for any input
>
> David
>
> out side of Philly.
>
David Gallagher on wed 9 nov 05
Thanks to every one for their advice. I think its time to hit the stores and try some things. Also its time to pull out one of the old electric motors and a reostat and see if come up with something new. New is always fun, If I manage to rig something up I will take pics.
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John Hesselberth on wed 9 nov 05
On Nov 9, 2005, at 11:52 AM, Gordon Ward wrote:
> I don't know if
> there is a commercial wheel out there with a speed reduction greater
> than 10:1.
My Max wheel has a 10:1 gear box. DC motor direct to the gear box to
the wheel head--no belts. I can easily control at a smooth 20 rpm and
with a little care can take it down to 14-15. I might even go slower
if I fiddled with the pots in the foot pedal, but I have never had a
need to do so.
Regards,
John
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