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is it art, or production $$$-a question

updated thu 10 nov 05

 

Tony Ferguson on tue 1 nov 05


Steve,

Every time I ready your emails I wonder, "man, it must rain alot where he lives and I bet he has one heck of a record collection." I'm getting ready here to go to CA for a two workshops, tired out from all the preparation, packing, getting work ready, my tools I've made to offer along side my work for sale, kids are in bed, wife and I are settling down soon.

Art or Production. Reminds me of art and craft. Well, I think art is art and production can be art but I suppose it has to do with how you define it. I can "produce" art and I think whatever the reason for has nothing to with if the work is art or if the work is just reproduction. I think there is a tremendous amount of grey area because of subjectivity, ignorance, and self delusion or even lack of honesty. Bill Farrell once said to me "You are doing the same thing to every pot." I started looking at my pots differently that way and have learned the value of treating each pot as it own--and this can be done in a production sort of way at various or all stages: your choice on how to create one of kind can take place at the vessels initial forming and carried on in the glazing and also in the firing atmosphere. You can create blank canvases for your glazing and treat each canvas of clay as a painting and further let the kiln paint. There are all sorts of stages of approaching
one's work as art or as re-production.

Tony Ferguson--excited to visit the sunny state!!

http://www.tonyferguson.net



Steve Slatin wrote:
Sam --

Yes! Renoir, The Boating Party -- there are other
examples.

-- Steve Slatin

--- Sam or Mary Yancy wrote:

> Example: - did any of the great artists paint more
> that one of the same picture??

Steve Slatin --

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BJ Clark | Stinking Desert Ceramics on tue 1 nov 05


The entire medium of printmaking called, they still think they're art.

-BJ Clark



On 11/1/05, Steve Slatin wrote:
>
> Sam --
>
> Yes! Renoir, The Boating Party -- there are other
> examples.
>
> -- Steve Slatin
>
> --- Sam or Mary Yancy wrote:
>
> > Example: - did any of the great artists paint more
> > that one of the same picture??
>
> Steve Slatin --
>
> Drove downtown in the rain
> 9:30 on a Tuesday night
> Just to check out the
> Late night record shop
>
>
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Sam or Mary Yancy on tue 1 nov 05


Just a thought and question. Some folks get into clay because they like to play with mud as a child perhaps, and that is where their creative outlet is. Then they start by making one-of-a-kind art pieces, have fun and sell a few too.

However once they sell some, sometimes other buyers want MORE of the same - so If they buy into that (or have to for the $$$), does not that make it WORK!!! and Production AND NOT ART?

Example: - did any of the great artists paint more that one of the same picture?? Perhaps a series in the same style but all different.

Where are the creative juices then and where is the Art??. If it is only for the money, you can probable easily get a better paying job!!!!!

If you go into production completly, are you not just another worker bee and sooner or later get burned out and quit??? I see the same thrown or slip cast vases and pots year after year at shooping fairs for example - with the same production potters. . I don't believe that makes you a artist......

Happened to me when I was a custom motorcycle and auto painter - after about 20 years. I started as a way of expressing my love of color and designs. Wound up getting so tired of painting another "flame job" and so on, I had to quit. Was totally burned out.

Now do a few clay pieces when I have time, all one of a kind and feel good about it. Some I sell - some I give away and some I keep.

What say you clayarters - Are YOU doing art or prduction????? ....Are you a Artist or a Production worker - if the latter, sooner or later your work will be outsourced to China.....
Sam in Daly City

Amanda Stickney on tue 1 nov 05



Art is when someone searches their emotion, spirit and imagination and expresses it, no matter how it may be.  However, it may not always be how someone else thinks of it.  I believe that some production 'workers' are not necessarily looking to be what would be called 'production', but giving more of their work to people so that all can experience creativity.  As long as the artist is continuing to try and explore themselves, they will always be an artist.







From:  Sam or Mary Yancy <satima@PACBELL.NET>
Reply-To:  Clayart <CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG>
To:  CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject:  Is it Art, or Production $$$-a question
Date:  Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:55:09 -0800
>Just a thought and question. Some folks get into clay because they like to play with mud as a child perhaps, and that is where their creative outlet is. Then they start by making one-of-a-kind art pieces, have fun and sell a few too.
>
>However once they sell some, sometimes other buyers want MORE of the same - so If they buy into that (or have to for the $$$), does not that  make it WORK!!! and Production AND NOT ART?
>
>Example: - did any of the great artists paint more that one of the same picture??  Perhaps a
series in the same style but all different.
>
>Where are the creative juices then and where is the Art??. If it is only for the money, you can probable easily get a better paying job!!!!!
>
>If you go into production completly, are you not just another worker bee and sooner or later get burned out and quit???  I see the same thrown or slip cast vases and pots  year after year at shooping fairs for example - with the same production potters. . I don't believe that makes you a artist......
>
>Happened to me when I was a custom motorcycle and auto painter -  after about 20 years. I started as a way of expressing my love of color and designs. Wound up getting  so tired of  painting another "flame job" and so on, I had to quit. Was totally burned out.
>
>  Now do a few clay pieces when
I have time, all one of a kind and feel good about it. Some I sell - some I give away and some I keep.
>
>What say you clayarters - Are YOU doing art or prduction????? ....Are you a Artist or a Production worker - if the latter, sooner or later your work will be outsourced to China.....
>Sam in Daly City
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Steve Slatin on tue 1 nov 05


Sam --

Yes! Renoir, The Boating Party -- there are other
examples.

-- Steve Slatin

--- Sam or Mary Yancy wrote:

> Example: - did any of the great artists paint more
> that one of the same picture??

Steve Slatin --

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9:30 on a Tuesday night
Just to check out the
Late night record shop



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pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on wed 2 nov 05


Well too, if one has something one does, and does well, where there is a
reason for the replicates to be approximately the same, they can be
just-about-the-same, and lack nothing for it, so long as they are excellent
for each-themself in being the 'same'...

Yes?


Of course...


Lol...

Phil
el ve

marianne kuiper milks on wed 2 nov 05


BJ - I think that's the most absurd statement I've
read on Clayart yet. Not even speaking of someone like
Escher.. how about other re-produced media, and multi
reproduction - literature, photography, fabric art,
just to name small examples. I haven't read this
thread, I must admit, so I'm likely as off the wall as
I often am. Just took a second look and couldn't
believe what I read. Judgement Day?

Marianne

--- BJ Clark | Stinking Desert Ceramics
wrote:

> The entire medium of printmaking called, they still
> think they're art.
>
> -BJ Clark
>
>
>
> On 11/1/05, Steve Slatin
> wrote:
> >
> > Sam --
> >
> > Yes! Renoir, The Boating Party -- there are other
> > examples.
> >
> > -- Steve Slatin
> >
> > --- Sam or Mary Yancy wrote:
> >
> > > Example: - did any of the great artists paint
> more
> > > that one of the same picture??
> >
> > Steve Slatin --
> >
> > Drove downtown in the rain
> > 9:30 on a Tuesday night
> > Just to check out the
> > Late night record shop
> >
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Lee Love on wed 2 nov 05


On 2005/11/02 20:00:17, Sam or Mary Yancy wrote:

> Example: - did any of the great artists paint more that one of the same
> picture?? Perhaps a series in the same style but all different.

Maybe making functional potter isn't so much like oil painting as
it is like playing music or dancing ballet. Does it take anything
away from Bach when Yo-yo Ma plays the same music over and over
again? The beauty in the creativity of Yo-yo Ma reminds you of the
beauty in Nature. All the differences are nuanced and subtle.
Because in modern times, we are so addicted to change, we have
difficulty understanding this kind of beauty. We have lost the
sensibility.

> However once they sell some, sometimes other buyers want MORE of the
> same - so If they buy into that (or have to for the $$$), does not
> that make it WORK!!! and Production AND NOT ART?

Actually, novelty is what sells "art." That is why folks
like Garth Clark don't understand pots that are not made with big $$$ in
mind. Styles have to change constantly, if you are merely production
for our consumer culture. People buy functional pots for other
reasons: stability, connection and history. Functional pots
fulfill an archytyple need.

> What say you clayarters - Are YOU doing art or prduction????? ....Are
> you a Artist or a Production worker - if the latter, sooner or later
> your work will be outsourced to China.....

I set up for the Mashiko Tokiichi (Pottery festival)
today. I have the best spot in town, exactly smack dab across
from the gates that lead to the Messe museum. Right now, there are
three shows up at the Museum and two are related to Shoji Hamada. One
is about Hamada and Okinawa. The other is about his use of the sugar
cane grass as a decoration motif on his work. Hamada decorated his
pots with the same sugar cane grass painting, thousands of times,
maybe 10s of thousands or more. Now, if you ask me if I am doing
"art" like Julian Schnabel or am I doing production like Shoji Hamada,
I'd have to say I more aspire to production.
--
Lee Love
in Mashiko, Japan http://mashiko.org
http://seisokuro.blogspot.com/ My Photo Logs

"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication."

--Leonardo da Vinci

--Leonardo da Vinci

marianne kuiper milks on wed 2 nov 05


Hi Lee, I don't think I've responded to your
contributions before, but I read something here that
touched a string, so to speak. You wrote about YoYo Ma
and his performances. About 'the same" being "not the
same" and of the value in that.

When I was a music student in Holland, my piano
teacher took me to meet Arthur Rubinstein, a giant of
a small man with the most sparkly eyes and refined
manners. I followed him around the Netherlands 3
concerts each spring, 3 each fall between about 1963
amd 1970 and met him often, with my teacher, after
concerts.
What I remember as chilling (positive)was a
performance he gave in Amsterdam of a Nocturne by
Chopin, one of the last Ih heard there. I was glued to
my seat...could not move. I was excited to hear the
same program again (a night? two nights?) later in the
Hague. To my amazement the piece (as others) sounded
completely different. A different atmosphere. The
final and last concert was in Rotterdam. Again, it was
as if something new had inhabited that music,
particularly THAT piece.
Afterward I asked Rubinstein how come the same
Nocturnes could sound so different from one another.
He laughed and said "But I feel so different today!"

I don't think that repeats of any kind are bad,
whether repeated for artistic or fiancial reasons, as
long as it is done well and with self-respect. And to
the expert and lover of art... isn't there always a
fine difference, anyway? I have read that during Da
Vinci's and Rembrandt's time exact copying, over and
over, was part of their education, to achieve
perfection. Different, yet..

Marianne


--- Lee Love wrote:

> On 2005/11/02 20:00:17, Sam or Mary Yancy
> wrote:
>
> > Example: - did any of the great artists paint
> more that one of the same
> > picture?? Perhaps a series in the same style but
> all different.
>
> Maybe making functional potter isn't so much
> like oil painting as
> it is like playing music or dancing ballet.
> Does it take anything
> away from Bach when Yo-yo Ma plays the same music
> over and over
> again? The beauty in the creativity of Yo-yo Ma
> reminds you of the
> beauty in Nature. All the differences are nuanced
> and subtle.
> Because in modern times, we are so addicted to
> change, we have
> difficulty understanding this kind of beauty. We
> have lost the
> sensibility.
>
> > However once they sell some, sometimes other
> buyers want MORE of the
> > same - so If they buy into that (or have to for
> the $$$), does not
> > that make it WORK!!! and Production AND NOT ART?
>
> Actually, novelty is what sells "art."
> That is why folks
> like Garth Clark don't understand pots that are not
> made with big $$$ in
> mind. Styles have to change constantly, if you are
> merely production
> for our consumer culture. People buy functional
> pots for other
> reasons: stability, connection and history.
> Functional pots
> fulfill an archytyple need.
>
> > What say you clayarters - Are YOU doing art or
> prduction????? ....Are
> > you a Artist or a Production worker - if the
> latter, sooner or later
> > your work will be outsourced to China.....
>
> I set up for the Mashiko Tokiichi
> (Pottery festival)
> today. I have the best spot in town, exactly
> smack dab across
> from the gates that lead to the Messe museum.
> Right now, there are
> three shows up at the Museum and two are related to
> Shoji Hamada. One
> is about Hamada and Okinawa. The other is about
> his use of the sugar
> cane grass as a decoration motif on his work.
> Hamada decorated his
> pots with the same sugar cane grass painting,
> thousands of times,
> maybe 10s of thousands or more. Now, if you
> ask me if I am doing
> "art" like Julian Schnabel or am I doing production
> like Shoji Hamada,
> I'd have to say I more aspire to production.
> --
> Lee Love
> in Mashiko, Japan http://mashiko.org
> http://seisokuro.blogspot.com/ My Photo Logs
>
> "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication."
>
> --Leonardo da
> Vinci
>
> --Leonardo da Vinci
>
>
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primalmommy on wed 2 nov 05


For a lot of people, production pays the bills for art. I could waitress
at Bill Knapps (a noble profession, btw) and then make arty stuff 90% of
the locals won't understand, though it feeds my soul... or I can spend
that time in mystudio, training muscle memory, crankin out candle
holders for the holiday sale and little rows of bowls... ten bucks.. ten
bucks.. ten bucks.. ten bucks... to try out new glazes on, since my big
sculptural time consuming stuff is no place to test.

You may notice that when a potter says, "How can you lower yourself to
make work for the unwashed masses?" the response form clayart is often
some version of, "So, who pays YOUR bills?"

I find most people who consider throwing matched sets of things to be
too simple and mindless -- simply have never tried it. It's like my kid
playing scales witht he metronome before practice: teach your body the
piano, teach your fingers the keys, until you take all conscious thought
out of it and just go where you want to go. I am trying hard to convince
my littlest that one day she will be able to ride her bike without
thinking "steer, balance, pedal, no STEER, pedal or you'll fall! "
Throwing is like that, too. The more I play "scales" on the wheel, the
more my hands train my brain (like Dannon says.) Only I can get ten
bucks each for my scales.

I'm not sure you can draw such a fat line between 'art' and "work",
either. Even our most ethereal "high artists" ate a lot of marble chips,
cramped up around the paint brush, had to scrape goo off of something.
Art doesn't just spring fully formed from the seashell like Venus.
Sometimes it begins with the same process that happens at the wheel when
I make a form again, again, again. I don't have to invent new positions
to do yoga -- in fact, the more automatic they become, the more if frees
my mind for other things.

If I really want to spend all my time in my studio, then I will do a bit
of everything. Trinkets and cack to pay for the brake job, stuff for the
website for weird niche markets, and work with my heart in it for local
galleries and guild shows. The work with my heart in it attracts a lot
of attention, brings folks over to my booth, but they walk away with an
olive boat or a little bowl.

Life is like that. Sometimes you get to kiss the babies, sometimes you
have to wash the diapers. it all evens out in the end.

Yours
Kelly in Ohio.. rethinking my loose pots thanks to Elizabeth's caution,
so up late last night throwing ones that look just like the last order.
I'll alter the loppy ones and sell them myself. Anyway that
too-wet-to-wedge clay pot takes FOREVER to dry!


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summer.bruch@netzero.net on wed 2 nov 05


If making similar pots over and over again pays for a space to make your=
work and a kiln. Does it matter? After spending every last dime on grad=
school, then marrying another ceramic artist there is no time to ponder=
that question. I'll think about when I have three years teaching experi=
ence, gallery representation, an international exhibition record..... =


I say if your just getting started and you can sell it, make it.

Louis Katz on wed 2 nov 05


SOme of the best painting is done by repitition. Look at Japanese
caligraphy, bamboo, anything.

Friend of mine StevenAssael.com painted book jackets for gothic
romances three to five times a week. While not the same they differ
less than my teabowls do from each other. The reason he is so good is
careful repetition, not mindless repetition. If each pot is an attempt
at a better pot than the last:
1. Your pots will get better
2. They will have life
3. You won't get bored

If each pot is just a copy of the last:
1. they will get worse
2. they will quickly become lifeless if they did not start that way
3. you are already bored.

At least this is the theory I try to craft with.

Bid on a 60 KW generator today. Wish me luck.

Louis

BJ Clark | Stinking Desert Ceramics on thu 3 nov 05


Marianne,
Uh, I don't know if your agreeing with me or disagreeing, but I was simply
saying that, printmaking, for example, is an art form that is built on the
idea of producing many of the same thing. It's still art even if you make
more than one. I thought "are you doing art or production" was a silly
question because there are art forms that are production.
I have a weird sense of humor, so people mis-understand me quite often.

BJ Clark



On 11/2/05, marianne kuiper milks wrote:
>
> BJ - I think that's the most absurd statement I've
> read on Clayart yet. Not even speaking of someone like
> Escher.. how about other re-produced media, and multi
> reproduction - literature, photography, fabric art,
> just to name small examples. I haven't read this
> thread, I must admit, so I'm likely as off the wall as
> I often am. Just took a second look and couldn't
> believe what I read. Judgement Day?
>
> Marianne
>
> --- BJ Clark | Stinking Desert Ceramics
> wrote:
>
> > The entire medium of printmaking called, they still
> > think they're art.
> >
> > -BJ Clark
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/1/05, Steve Slatin
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sam --
> > >
> > > Yes! Renoir, The Boating Party -- there are other
> > > examples.
> > >
> > > -- Steve Slatin
> > >
> > > --- Sam or Mary Yancy wrote:
> > >
> > > > Example: - did any of the great artists paint
> > more
> > > > that one of the same picture??
> > >
> > > Steve Slatin --
> > >
> > > Drove downtown in the rain
> > > 9:30 on a Tuesday night
> > > Just to check out the
> > > Late night record shop
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Lee Love on thu 3 nov 05


On 2005/11/03 19:25:36marianne kuiper milks
wrote:

> When I was a music student in Holland, my piano
> teacher took me to meet Arthur Rubinstein, a giant of
> a small man with the most sparkly eyes and refined
> manners.

Thank you for sharing your experience. I you are very fortunate!

Jean and I once heard Pinkus Zukerman and Yo-yo Ma play in St.
Paul. We were lucky: Our seats were cheap seats up high and off to
the side, but we could see folks off-stage, before they entered the hall
to play. It was great to watch them be so warm to one & other when
they though no one was looking.

We use to enjoy listening to the chamber orchestra, led
by Zukerman, when it played at Temple Isreal in Minneapolis. Bach
should be played in holy spaces.

> I don't think that repeats of any kind are bad,
> whether repeated for artistic or fiancial reasons, as
> long as it is done well and with self-respect.

Repeats might actually be the antidote to a fetish with
novelty. I recall with horror when I set my youngest son with an
electric guitar, amp and lessons, how at first, he would only play a
piece once and think he was finished with his practice. Maybe this is
what video games do to young minds?

Hey. Download the link below. I filmed a short movie
clip of the Mashiko Taiko Group drumming at the Messe museum (The
Tochigi Prefectural Ceramics Museum) on Culture Day, Right smack dab
between my festival space an the open doors of the museum. This
Taiko drum was created by my Sensei Tatsuzo Shimaoka It is ceramic
and has rope impression inlay and his leaf motif on it. I think Ken
Matsuzaki did a a lot of the actual fabrication. This is a sound
movie I made with my Nokia cell phone. Should play in Media Player
(might say it might not work, but it does.) Says 3gp but plays as an .mpg:

http://www.archive.org/download/MashikoTaiko_1/mashikotaiko.3gp

--
Lee Love
in Mashiko, Japan http://mashiko.org
http://seisokuro.blogspot.com/ My Photo Logs

"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication."

--Leonardo da Vinci

Steve Slatin on tue 8 nov 05


Tony --

Ok, Ok, I changed the sig entry ... hope the workshops
went well. I try to stay away from the art v craft
issue, as it seems to just go on forever and get
everyone in a snit without satisfying any need. I'll
try to steer clear of that and sort of ramble on
different points.

Pottery satisfies various needs -- practical,
aesthetic. What's practical for some uses is not
practical for others. What's aesthetically satisfying
for some situations (or people) is not satisfying for
others. I suppose for some potters throwing a bowl is
a dreary necessity on the way to being able to
decorate it. Perhaps for them, knocking out a set of
6 or 8 identical bowls is a chore like cleaning a
wheel is for others.

For some of us, sitting down to throw is kind of a
crap shoot. I may start the day with the idea of
making coffee mugs, but when I get up an hour later to
wedge more clay there'll be five open bowls in various
sizes, one narrow vase, two sugar-bowl bottoms and
(inexplicably) four lids on the board.

I do sometimes make what can loosely be considered
sets, but even if they are all the same height and
width, there are always differences. I've seen
potters who can trim their work without thinking about
it. I always have to hold the piece, check the weight
distribution, make sure I know exactly what the inside
shape is ... so I'm not making a 'canvas' (a
consistent foundation to decorate). The shape and
surface are where my aesthetic lies, not the
decoration.

I feel that the people who disdain production are
missing something. We're all producing -- some one
piece at a time, some sets of dozens at a whack, some
hundreds of pieces in a day. I admire the skill that
goes into being able to make hundreds of units that
are essentially identical. That I do not wish to
emulate it is irrelevant.

-- Steve S



--- Tony Ferguson wrote:

> Steve,
>
> Every time I ready your emails I wonder, "man, it
> must rain alot where he lives and I bet he has one
> heck of a record collection."

Steve Slatin --

And I've seen it all, I've seen it all
Through the yellow windows of the evening train...




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