dannon rhudy on wed 28 sep 05
Tony, an MFA and an MA are NOT the same
when it comes to teaching. Not that there are
anywhere near as many places to teach as people
to fill those places, but that's a different story.
Most Universities require an MFA to teach in
the arts, except where they require a PhD for
those teaching art history and art education. Don't
ask how they derive these requirements, I dunno.
Some but not all Community Colleges will accept
an MA for teaching. High schools will sometimes
accept an MA, along with a teaching certificate. This
applies in USA, don't know re: other places.
regards
Dannon Rhudy
----- Original Message ----- >
> I am a bit confused as my understanding an MA (like I have) is a 30 credit
program while an MFA is a 60 credit program. How can an MFA with 30 credits
be considered equivalent? Are the credit hours different? Are they
accredited? Daddy wants an MFA.
>
> Tony
---
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Tony Ferguson on wed 19 oct 05
Hi,
I am a bit confused as my understanding an MA (like I have) is a 30 credit program while an MFA is a 60 credit program. How can an MFA with 30 credits be considered equivalent? Are the credit hours different? Are they accredited? Daddy wants an MFA.
Tony
clennell wrote:
Dear Kelly and others: I think this is exciting news for those of you that
want an MFA but can't check out of life for 3 years. Joyce Michaud at Hood
College in Maryland is offering a MFA program that is a series of weekend
and week long workshops except you get credits. the program as it stands now
offers a Graduate Diploma in Ceramic Arts. This consists of 18 credits that
can be earned during these workshops. Faculty has approved the new MFA
standing which will be 30 credits. May start as early as Jan 2006. Your 18
diploma credits count and the aditional 12 will also be earned thru flexible
weekend and weeklong courses.
In Nov 2006 I am teaching a "Composite Throwing" Course there, Oct 2006 will
have Pete Pinnell(the man with the ceramic brain) teaching a Firing Course.
Oh yeah, and to enter the program you don't need a BFA- just skill. A
program that recognizes the skill you have developed working in your studio.
this is a flexible programme designed for a changing world- high time I'd
say. Congrats to Joyce for pioneering this program. Others will follow or
else.
Best,
Tony
P.S Pick a couple of friends, team up, do the drive, do the weekends, share
a sleazy motel, get your MFA and get a job teaching. It is now possible for
mommy.
Tony and Sheila Clennell
Sour Cherry Pottery
4545 King Street
Beamsville, Ontario
CANADA L0R 1B1
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clennell on wed 19 oct 05
Dear Kelly and others: I think this is exciting news for those of you that
want an MFA but can't check out of life for 3 years. Joyce Michaud at Hood
College in Maryland is offering a MFA program that is a series of weekend
and week long workshops except you get credits. the program as it stands now
offers a Graduate Diploma in Ceramic Arts. This consists of 18 credits that
can be earned during these workshops. Faculty has approved the new MFA
standing which will be 30 credits. May start as early as Jan 2006. Your 18
diploma credits count and the aditional 12 will also be earned thru flexible
weekend and weeklong courses.
In Nov 2006 I am teaching a "Composite Throwing" Course there, Oct 2006 will
have Pete Pinnell(the man with the ceramic brain) teaching a Firing Course.
Oh yeah, and to enter the program you don't need a BFA- just skill. A
program that recognizes the skill you have developed working in your studio.
this is a flexible programme designed for a changing world- high time I'd
say. Congrats to Joyce for pioneering this program. Others will follow or
else.
Best,
Tony
P.S Pick a couple of friends, team up, do the drive, do the weekends, share
a sleazy motel, get your MFA and get a job teaching. It is now possible for
mommy.
Tony and Sheila Clennell
Sour Cherry Pottery
4545 King Street
Beamsville, Ontario
CANADA L0R 1B1
http://www.sourcherrypottery.com
http://www.sourcherrypottery.com/current_news/news_letter.html
marianne kuiper milks on thu 20 oct 05
Tony,
there are many such condensed programs out there. My
friend the mommy of seven (byebye husband) received a
full grant to get her PhD in Social Work at Fordham,
which was a 1-yr, 52 weekend program. Hard as hell,
but then mommies are used to that.
It's not the time but the imput, and strength of
teaching, (and cutting the BS) that counts.
Sounds like a great program to me!! (the ceramics
one!)
Marianne
revelstone ceramics
--- Tony Ferguson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am a bit confused as my understanding an MA (like
> I have) is a 30 credit program while an MFA is a 60
> credit program. How can an MFA with 30 credits be
> considered equivalent? Are the credit hours
> different? Are they accredited? Daddy wants an
> MFA.
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> clennell wrote:
> Dear Kelly and others: I think this is exciting news
> for those of you that
> want an MFA but can't check out of life for 3 years.
> Joyce Michaud at Hood
> College in Maryland is offering a MFA program that
> is a series of weekend
> and week long workshops except you get credits. the
> program as it stands now
> offers a Graduate Diploma in Ceramic Arts. This
> consists of 18 credits that
> can be earned during these workshops. Faculty has
> approved the new MFA
> standing which will be 30 credits. May start as
> early as Jan 2006. Your 18
> diploma credits count and the aditional 12 will also
> be earned thru flexible
> weekend and weeklong courses.
> In Nov 2006 I am teaching a "Composite Throwing"
> Course there, Oct 2006 will
> have Pete Pinnell(the man with the ceramic brain)
> teaching a Firing Course.
> Oh yeah, and to enter the program you don't need a
> BFA- just skill. A
> program that recognizes the skill you have developed
> working in your studio.
> this is a flexible programme designed for a changing
> world- high time I'd
> say. Congrats to Joyce for pioneering this program.
> Others will follow or
> else.
> Best,
> Tony
> P.S Pick a couple of friends, team up, do the drive,
> do the weekends, share
> a sleazy motel, get your MFA and get a job teaching.
> It is now possible for
> mommy.
> Tony and Sheila Clennell
> Sour Cherry Pottery
> 4545 King Street
> Beamsville, Ontario
> CANADA L0R 1B1
> http://www.sourcherrypottery.com
>
http://www.sourcherrypottery.com/current_news/news_letter.html
>
>
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Stephani Stephenson on thu 20 oct 05
I think Mommies have been getting those MFA's for years
There are mommies , with spouse or partner support or without
who plan it , who tackle it, who go for it
I am generalizing of course
but
By the time they get there , they want it bad!
They seem to be the most determined , organized bunch on the planet .
This would also apply to Daddies, single or married
and others who are making that commitment in the midst of very full
lives.
Stephani Stephenson
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marcia Selsor on thu 20 oct 05
Tony,
I taught an architectural ceramics course at Hood in 2002. It was part of
Joyce Michaud's program for the MFA. Of the 15 or so students in my
class, most of them had some professional level in ceramics. They were
either full time studio potters/tilers or they were teaching.-some were
teaching in community colleges. It was a good group. We worked in a room
which Joyce was attempting to take over for the ceramics program.
The strongest part of this program IMHO is the array of people Joyce
attracks to teach there. People have enough choices to pick and choose
what they wish to focus on.
Marcia Selsor
still on the East Coast. Plan to attend the Clay Studio auction in Philly
on Saturday. It looks really exciting with hundreds of recognized
ceramicists work on display for the fund raiser. Overwhelming, really.
Hank Murrow on thu 20 oct 05
On Sep 28, 2005, at 11:37 AM, dannon rhudy wrote:
> Tony, an MFA and an MA are NOT the same
> when it comes to teaching. Not that there are
> anywhere near as many places to teach as people
> to fill those places, but that's a different story.
>
> Most Universities require an MFA to teach in
> the arts, except where they require a PhD for
> those teaching art history and art education. Don't
> ask how they derive these requirements, I dunno.
> Some but not all Community Colleges will accept
> an MA for teaching. High schools will sometimes
> accept an MA, along with a teaching certificate. This
> applies in USA, don't know re: other places.
>
> regards
>
> Dannon Rhudy
>
> ----- Original Message ----- >
>> I am a bit confused as my understanding an MA (like I have) is a 30
>> credit
> program while an MFA is a 60 credit program. How can an MFA with 30
> credits
> be considered equivalent? Are the credit hours different? Are they
> accredited? Daddy wants an MFA.
>>
>> Tony
>
>
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Hank Murrow on thu 20 oct 05
On Sep 28, 2005, at 11:37 AM, dannon rhudy wrote:
> Tony, an MFA and an MA are NOT the same
> when it comes to teaching. snip.......
>
> Most Universities require an MFA to teach in
> the arts, except where they require a PhD for
> those teaching art history and art education. Don't
> ask how they derive these requirements, I dunno.
Dear Dannon et al;
The MFA is the required degree for teaching in colleges and
universities because it is the terminal degree for the studio arts,
much as the PHD is the terminal degree for fields of scholarship.
I imagine any institution of higher education would look with disfavor
on a 30 credit hour degree, whatever the provenance or label. I cast no
bad light on Joyce's program, honoring studio work as it seems to do,
just reporting what I have observed serving on search committees in
this setting.
Cheers, Hank
www.murrow.biz/hank
David Gallagher on thu 20 oct 05
Tony,
While not a mommy (or a daddy for the record) this is exciting news! Do you think it would be appropriate to start bugging Ms. Michaud at this point, or should we all wait until a formal announcement is made?
Thanks...
David
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clennell on thu 20 oct 05
Sour Cherry Pottery
> Tony,
> While not a mommy (or a daddy for the record) this is exciting news! Do you
> think it would be appropriate to start bugging Ms. Michaud at this point, or
> should we all wait until a formal announcement is made?
> Thanks...
> David
>
>
>David; I'd say bug her. She will be excited to report to her superiors that she
is on to something.
Best of luck with your MFA.
Cheers,
Tony
P.S As for Hanks suggestion of pedigree If I were on a search committee it
would be the person first(can they teach?), the work second and good you
have your MFA. Don't quote me on the # of credits and blah blah. find out
from Joyce. I just went and looked at this list of courses offered. To me it
looks fantastic!
Art Department Faculty
Joyce Michaud
E-mail: jmichaud@hood.edu
Assistant Professor of Art
Coordinator of Studio Arts
Curator of Hodson Gallery
Director of the Ceramics Program
Courses Taught
* ART 300 Gallery Management
* ARTS 123 Drawing I
* ARTS 224 Drawing II
* ARTS 324 Drawing III
* ARTS 237 Painting I
* ARTS 338 Painting II
* ARTS 339 Painting III
* ARTS 203 Ceramics I
* ARTS 303 Ceramic Wheel
* ARTS 316 Special Topics in Studio Art
* ARTS 504 Ceramic Decoration
* ARTS 508 Ceramic Sculpture
* ARTS 503 Ceramic Wheel
* ARTS 502 Eastern Coil
* ARTS 505 Masters Throwing I
* ARTS 506 Masters Throwing II
* ARTS 507 Plates & Platters
* ARTS 501 Glaze Application
* ARTS 511 Properties of Clay
* ARTS 521 Properties of Glaze
* ARTS 570 Graduate Seminar in Personal Studio Research
* ARTS 503 Intensive Throwing
* ARTS 530 Kiln Technology
Hank Murrow on thu 20 oct 05
On Oct 20, 2005, at 6:45 PM, clennell wrote:
>>
>> David; I'd say bug her. She will be excited to report to her
>> superiors that she
> is on to something.
> Best of luck with your MFA.
> Cheers,
> Tony
> P.S As for Hanks suggestion of pedigree If I were on a search
> committee it
> would be the person first(can they teach?), the work second and good
> you
> have your MFA. Don't quote me on the # of credits and blah blah. find
> out
> from Joyce. I just went and looked at this list of courses offered. To
> me it
> looks fantastic!
Hey Tony;
I wasn't saying I agreed with typical search committee requirements.
The fact is, these committees use the MFA as a sort of coarse filter to
screen the applicant pool down to 200 or so. Without that initial
screening, there would be 1000 sets of slides and applications to
respond to. For the Lane Community College search committee that I
served on most recently, 90 sets of slides were reviewed, after 120
folks were screened out because of degree and other deficiencies. It
all boiled down to 9 final candidates, Tom Rohr was selected, and is
doing a great job there.
Put yourself in the position of a volunteer committee which has to take
seriously each
file which is offered by law. The degree filter seems their easiest way
to screen candidates.
Cheers, Hank
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