Roger W. Cramer on tue 13 sep 05
Ron;
At NCECA this year you spoke about seeing what looked like a "real" Shino
glaze fired at ^6 in one of the display rooms and were going to follow up
with that particular potter (name unknown) and do some investigating
yourself about how to develop a ^6 Shino. Any success on the ^6 Shino
front? Where would you begin to explore this issue, - and for that matter
what variation of "Shino" could be developed considering the
characteristics unique to ^6 firing? Thanks for your thoughts.
Roger
Roger W. Cramer
50 Marlboro Street
Newburyport, MA 01950
www.cramerpottery.com
Randy McCall on tue 13 sep 05
Roger,,,,,,,,,,,I think I get a fairly good shino type glaze with Nutmeg.
Just substitute Redart for the kaolin. I think this glaze could be adjusted
to give you what you are looking for. It gives a satiny almost matt cream
breaking reddish type glaze. Nice and smooth. You can see it on the vase
on my primitive web site on the vase.
Joan Conklin on wed 14 sep 05
Randy
The Sodumene you have listed in your nutmeg is in low fire spodumene?
Thanks, Joan
>From: Randy McCall
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: Inquiry for Ron Roy: ^6 Shino
>Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:34:31 -0400
>
>Roger,,,,,,,,,,,I think I get a fairly good shino type glaze with Nutmeg.
>Just substitute Redart for the kaolin. I think this glaze could be
>adjusted
>to give you what you are looking for. It gives a satiny almost matt cream
>breaking reddish type glaze. Nice and smooth. You can see it on the vase
>on my primitive web site on the vase.
>
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lee love on wed 14 sep 05
--- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, "Roger W. Cramer"
wrote:
>
> At NCECA this year you spoke about seeing what looked like a
>"real" Shino glaze fired at ^6
I think any "surprise" is only due to a misunderstanding about
traditional glazes, especially shinos. For the most part, before the
ntroduction of korean climbing kilns in the 17th century, most of the
single chamber wood kilns averaged about cone 1 in most of the firing
area. But they were fired for a week or two at these lower temps.
Also, they were not reduced like what we are used to in reduction in
modern gas kilns.
Here is a cone 6 Shino I have had good luck with in woodfire. In
recent correspondences (a paper letter, after sending my mentor back
home a new shino sample of mine), he mentioned to me that he gets
similar pinholing and crawling with his cone 5 shino by adding Gerstly
Borate.
Cone 6 Shino Translucent (can be mixed with cone 10 for middle temp
areas)
G.B. 5
Soda Ash 4
Spodumene 22
Neph Sye 54
OM4 15
Bentonite 1.5
Good over iron wash.
--
Lee Love, Mashiko Japan
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/WoodKiln Woodfirer's list
Ron Roy on thu 15 sep 05
Hi Roger,
I did follow that up and it turns out the sample I was shown was done in
reduction - at cone 6.
I have come to the conclusion that if you are going to use a "traditonal"
shino recipe you are going to have to fire it in reduction to get the look.
Pity.
On the other hand I do think it is possible to get the look in other ways
and I am sure there will be further developements in the future - all we
need are the one thousand monkeys in a pottery lab somewhere doing the line
blends.
I am fairly certain it will involve two glazes - or perhaps a glaze and a
body or a slip - and maybe some slow cooling - I'm also sure it will happen
sooner or later.
RR
>Ron;
>
>At NCECA this year you spoke about seeing what looked like a "real" Shino
>glaze fired at ^6 in one of the display rooms and were going to follow up
>with that particular potter (name unknown) and do some investigating
>yourself about how to develop a ^6 Shino. Any success on the ^6 Shino
>front? Where would you begin to explore this issue, - and for that matter
>what variation of "Shino" could be developed considering the
>characteristics unique to ^6 firing? Thanks for your thoughts.
>
>Roger
>
>Roger W. Cramer
>50 Marlboro Street
>Newburyport, MA 01950
>www.cramerpottery.com
Ron Roy
RR#4
15084 Little Lake Road
Brighton, Ontario
Canada
K0K 1H0
Phone: 613-475-9544
Fax: 613-475-3513
Donna Kat on tue 20 sep 05
I have a couple of ^6 ox shino
look glaze recipes. They have actually tested nicely but I don't have
those records on hand. They do lack the metalic look you sometimes get
with the reduction firing but I recently saw a potters work using an albany
overspray that had that look.
/////////////////First tested and liked/////////////////////
Faux Shino Source Christine Barros
cream breaking rust
glossy/matt
6
Frit--Ferro 3195 29
Flint 20
Cornwall Stone 13.5
Whiting 6.5
Tin Oxide 5.5
Zinc Oxide 4
Kaolin--EPK 5
Iron Oxide--Red 2
Bentonite 1
///////////////////////// 2nd //////////////////////////////////
Source: Clay Times, July/August 04
Credited to:
Firing ramp:
100c p/h to 600c (212f - 1112f)
150c p/h to 1100c (330f - 2012f)=20
100c p/h to 1220c (212f - 2228f)
5 min. soak
cool down max. to 800c
Hold 1 hour
Shut off kiln
Recipe:
26.6 Custer Feldspar
3.3 Strontium Carb.
30.6 Frit 3134
10.6 Wollastonite
2.3 Talc
8.4 EPK
18.2 Silica
ADD
6.0 RIO
13 Tin Oxide
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