Alisa Clausen on mon 16 may 05
I subscribe to Clay Times and enjoy reading most of it. Sometimes I =
think about sending in recipes or test results of a successful line =
blend.
The list of contributors include and are not limited to, to many =
Clayarters such as columnists Clennell, Rossol, Branfman, Pinnell, =
Hendley, and Pitelka and numerous contributors which I think have =
included Hesselberth and Roy.
We on Clayart did not all agree but honored Roy and Hesselberth's wishes =
not to publish the recipes from their book because they wanted people to =
read the book and earn=20
their salary on a valuable collaboration of investigations and findings.
Clay Times has published two of the book's recipes in the Great Glaze =
feature;
Jeannie's Purple Raspberry, Clay Times, Jan/Feb. 2005
Cobalt Carb. added to Raspberry
Cone 6 Clear Glossy, Clay Times, Jan/Feb. 2005
Glossy Clear Liner Glaze, Cone 6
Same recipe, scrambled name
In a way, I wonder why Clay Times publishes these recipes if it is not =
the wishes of the authors.=20
I have read the book backwards by now that I recognize the recipes. But =
perhaps the people at Clay Times do not recognize them and have =
published them
inadvertently. I am not the recipe police, at all, simply wondering =
where we are with this issue since the book was published in 2002? =
John, Ron?
Regards from Alisa in Denmark
John Britt on tue 17 may 05
Alisa,
I don't believe that there is a copyright on recipes. Unless I am
mistaken, once you publish them they are free game.
John Britt
www.johnbrittpottery.com
Earl Brunner on tue 17 may 05
Perhaps Alisa's main complaint was not giving credit where credit was due. the name of the glaze had been changed although the formula was essentially the same.
John Britt wrote:Alisa,
I don't believe that there is a copyright on recipes. Unless I am
mistaken, once you publish them they are free game.
John Britt
www.johnbrittpottery.com
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John Hesselberth on tue 17 may 05
On May 16, 2005, at 3:53 PM, Alisa Clausen wrote:
> I have read the book backwards by now that I recognize the recipes.
> But perhaps the people at Clay Times do not recognize them and have
> published them
> inadvertently. I am not the recipe police, at all, simply wondering
> where we are with this issue since the book was published in 2002?
> John, Ron?
>
> Regards from Alisa in Denmark
>
Hi Alisa,
I am responding to your question for both of us.
Yes Ron and I asked that our recipes not be published in the open
literature for one primary reason. Many of them won't work if they are
fired in the way potters have typically fired electric kilns. We wanted
people to at least have a complete set of information available when
they tried them the first time to maximize their chances of success.
That has turned out to be a successful strategy. Literally thousands of
potters are successfully using these glazes. We have demonstrated that
glazes can "travel well" if the total process is described. We get
emails several times a week thanking us for writing this book.
So now 3 years later there almost 10,000 copies of the book out in the
world. There are so many people having success with the glazes that
when someone has a problem there is someone close by who can help them.
That has happened several times on Clayart in the last few months. Ron
and I usually wait a day or two before responding to those questions if
we think others can answer them as well or better than we can--and that
often happens.
With so many potters using the glazes, including a lot of community and
school studios, it is unrealistic for us to think those glazes are not
going to show up in published form here and there. We certainly cannot
expect Polly Beach and her staff to be familiar with the genealogy of
every glaze that crosses their desks. I have spoken with Polly about
this issue and she will ask before publishing one of our glazes when
she knows where it came from. Lana Wilson will be publishing a variant
of one in her soon-to-be-published book with our permission. So where
does that leave us? Our biggest concern remains that enough information
be transmitted with the recipe to maximize the chances of success for
the person that tries it. But we recognize that the glazes are going to
be published on occasion here and elsewhere and are backing off on our
request to not do so. We, of course, do hope that when it happens the
book is credited.
We want to thank all the Clayart members for honoring our initial
request for as long as you have. We are convinced, that in spite of the
angst it caused on the part of some, that it was a significant factor
in helping people to be successful with the glazes. We needed to change
the way potters think about firing electric kilns and "forcing" them to
read the book to get at the recipes has helped us do that in a major
way. OK, and it probably helped sales too.
John and Ron
John Hesselberth
http://www.frogpondpottery.com
http://www.masteringglazes.com
John Hesselberth on wed 18 may 05
On May 18, 2005, at 9:49 AM, John Britt wrote:
> If your primary concern is having the glazes fire correctly you can
> easily
> post the firing schedule with the recipe.
John our firing schedule has been posted on our web site
(www.masteringglazes.com in the FAQ section) for a couple years and is
also in my 2004 NCECA presentation which has been posted on
www.frogpondpottery.com for the last year. We had detailed discussion
of it on Clayart within the last year. That helps but it is more than
just firing cycle.
John
John Hesselberth
http://www.frogpondpottery.com
http://www.masteringglazes.com
Ceramic Design Group on thu 19 may 05
For those of us who are of aging hippie genre...........here's a
journey into yester year......
Free Huey!!!!!!!
Free John Sinclair!!!!
Free Beer!!!!
Free the Motor City Five!!!! (Free the MC5)
And now!!! For your political and clayart correctness!!!
Free the MC6 Glazes!!!!
Jonathan
"Where did that damn silica go?I don't know, but tridymite!!!"
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claybair on thu 19 may 05
Go Joe!
I totally agree even to the point of
chipping in for a Kevlar vest for you! ;-)
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
Tucson, AZ
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URL Krueger on thu 19 may 05
As many of you do, I have a copy of MC6G, and as many of you
know this is not a book of glaze recipes. Yes, it does
contain a few glaze recipes in it, but the book is really
more about the philosophy of glazes.
Both Ron and John have emphasized on Clayart that their goal
was not to provide a list of stable glazes but to raise
awareness that potters producing functional ware need to be
concerned about using stable glazes. They explain what a
stable glaze is, how to test stability, how temperature
induced expansion and contraction come into play and how to
modify a glaze to fit your needs. This was all welcome
information that I had not seen published anywhere else.
And then they asked that we not publish their recipes so
that people would buy the book to learn what they had to
teach. I think this was fair enough. Except....
The conundrum.
There have been times I wished to posit a question to
Clayart which in order to ask it clearly would have
required that I divulge the recipe for one of the glazes
from MC6G. Since I chose to abide by Ron and John's wishes
I did not post my question to Clayart. I could, and did,
send e-mails directly to Ron and John both, but by not
posting my questions to the larger community I was limiting
the discussion to those with a particular viewpoint.
So, in fact, Ron and John's request has somewhat stifled
free and open discussion of glaze stability, which is just
the opposite of their stated purpose of raising awareness
of what makes a stable glaze.
--
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Bothell WA, USA
Lee Love on thu 19 may 05
John Hesselberth wrote:
> Yes Ron and I asked that our recipes not be published in the open
> literature for one primary reason. Many of them won't work if they are
> fired in the way potters have typically fired electric kilns. We wanted
> people to at least have a complete set of information available when
> they tried them the first time to maximize their chances of success.
If this is the primary reason, attribution is important. That way,
people can always come here and be helped about their firing schedual or
go to your website.
> So now 3 years later there almost 10,000 copies of the book out in the
> world.
Wow, at $39.95 each, that is $399,500.00 gross on a self-published book.
Congratulations!
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Orthodoxy is unconsciousness." -- Bill Moyers
Kate Johnson on thu 19 may 05
>> So now 3 years later there almost 10,000 copies of the book out in the
>> world.
>
> Wow, at $39.95 each, that is $399,500.00 gross on a self-published book.
> Congratulations!
Yebbit think of the printing costs with all that color! NOT to denigrate
the accomplishment, because it's impressive, but boy printing is
expensive...
(I'm a publisher, too....)
Best--
Kate
Matt Pogatshnik on thu 19 may 05
Woah, is there a post missing from this thread? I would be interested in
seeing the entirety of John' reply.
I find the debate over the ownership of glaze recipes pretty interesting and
I think the board would benefit from an open discussion of the issues
involved.
I would hate to think that a "cutting edge" community like ClayArt would
attempt to stifle such a debate.
joethepotter1948 on thu 19 may 05
Knowing I'll be under attack for "defending others who can defend
themselves," I've gotta to comment on this post. I'm not picking on
anyone in particular with these comments, but on society in
general. However, if the shoe fits wear it.
Here we have two fine men who have spent their lifetimes researching
glazes in the pursuit of excellence in potmaking, and if they make a
jillion nickels off this book they wrote it still wouldn't be
anywhere near what I think they deserve; they deserve more than
their book could possibly make in monetary gains. They deserve our
thanks, our respect, and any honor we can bestow upon them. Many
potters who have spent a lifetime building glazes aren't willing to
share their knowledge with anyone else at any price, which makes me
even MORE grateful that Ron and John have shared their knowledge
with us, and I think it's a downright cheap shot for any potter to
even question buying the book; if a person wants the information
from it, buy it and be grateful it's so inexpensive. Otherwise,
don't even think about using the glazes in it. Besides being a
great addition to any potter's library, owning a copy of it is a
tribute to those whose lives have made such profound advances in
glaze technology available to us.
The rules of copyright (ALL copyright) were made to keep people from
having their written work stolen from them, so why does our society
think all rules were made to be broken, bent, or somehow gotten
around? Where's our honor? What happened to ethics?
That said, fire away. I'm an ample target already, but if you
prefer I'll be happy to stand. ;)
Joe
John Britt on thu 19 may 05
Joe,
This is not about Ron and John making money or getting respect. They are
entitled to respect and to make as much money as possible.
I think the point is: why can't we talk about or post the recipes on
clayart? We post all sorts of recipes everyday. Ron is endlessly asking
people for the recipes.
I don't believe that posting the recipes will stop people from buying the
book. Even Daniel Rhodes is still selling books and we post his recipes
all the time. I would not have sold one book if that were the case.
The "Raspberry" glaze is posted in Clay Times so what is the secret? It is
part of the public domain now. Why can't we post it on Clayart? The other
recipes will be published in magazines soon. What is the statute of
limitations? Even the drug manufactures reveal the recipes at some time.
Also, why not put the recipes on clayart, for the sake of having more
folks using stable glazes? I though that was the goal. I understand
keeping things under wraps for a time but time has passed. The recipes are
trickling out and will soon be totally out. This give them a chance to
post the recipe as they want it for the archives.
Is this unreasonable?
President of the Glaze Recipe Free Trade Association
John Britt
www.johnbrittpottery.com
Jocelyn McAuley on thu 19 may 05
joethepotter1948 wrote:
> Knowing I'll be under attack for "defending others who can defend
> themselves," I've gotta to comment on this post. I'm not picking on
> anyone in particular with these comments, but on society in
> general. However, if the shoe fits wear it.
>
> Here we have two fine men who have spent their lifetimes researching
> glazes in the pursuit of excellence in potmaking, and if they make a
> jillion nickels off this book they wrote it still wouldn't be
> anywhere near what I think they deserve; they deserve more than
> their book could possibly make in monetary gains. They deserve our
> thanks, our respect, and any honor we can bestow upon them. Many
> potters who have spent a lifetime building glazes aren't willing to
> share their knowledge with anyone else at any price, which makes me
> even MORE grateful that Ron and John have shared their knowledge
> with us, and I think it's a downright cheap shot for any potter to
> even question buying the book; if a person wants the information
> from it, buy it and be grateful it's so inexpensive. Otherwise,
> don't even think about using the glazes in it. Besides being a
> great addition to any potter's library, owning a copy of it is a
> tribute to those whose lives have made such profound advances in
> glaze technology available to us.
>
> The rules of copyright (ALL copyright) were made to keep people from
> having their written work stolen from them, so why does our society
> think all rules were made to be broken, bent, or somehow gotten
> around? Where's our honor? What happened to ethics?
Hi Joe,
you do have many valid points, however, as has been pointed out already,
the listing of ingredients is not covered by copyright... the directions
/wording on how to mix them up is.
Those submitting Ron and John's recipes to a magazine are technically
sound in doing so, however you are right in that it exposed the morals
of these individuals to be somewhat lacking in this area.
Or perhaps the submittance of these recipes is pure coincidence? I have
seen soooo many identical glaze recipes all with different names, it
begs the question of what do we have left to discover in the glaze
making realm of ceramics. I believe it is within firing, not glaze
calculation, that the true adventurous spirit will soar in the coming years.
Perhaps it would be wise for ceramics magazines to do a little more
research (as in hire a fact checker) before publishing tips and recipes
from their readers.
sorry if this is flogging a dead glaze
Jocelyn in Eugene
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Annie Chrietzberg on thu 19 may 05
Sir Britt makes some clear & valid points - and I would like to join
the Glaze Recipe Free Trade Association.
I could volunteer my services, perhaps, to, as we say on clayart, level
the playing field. For every one of Ron's & Jon's recipes that gets
bandied about on clayart, I could post one of John Britt's, or the real
recipe behind Jonathan's 'Big-butt stoneware' aka Scooter's Special
Blend. And what Pacini didn't know when he showed me the recipes in
the vault at Laguna is that I have a photographic memory. I know the
recipe for b-mix.
Wait. Nevermind. There's too much profit to be made from this.
I resign from the Glaze Recipe Free Trade Association.
ever yours,
Annie
On May 19, 2005, at 6:27 PM, John Britt wrote:
> Joe,
>
> This is not about Ron and John making money or getting respect. They
> are
> entitled to respect and to make as much money as possible.
>
> I think the point is: why can't we talk about or post the recipes on
> clayart? We post all sorts of recipes everyday. Ron is endlessly asking
> people for the recipes.
>
> I don't believe that posting the recipes will stop people from buying
> the
> book. Even Daniel Rhodes is still selling books and we post his recipes
> all the time. I would not have sold one book if that were the case.
>
> The "Raspberry" glaze is posted in Clay Times so what is the secret?
> It is
> part of the public domain now. Why can't we post it on Clayart? The
> other
> recipes will be published in magazines soon. What is the statute of
> limitations? Even the drug manufactures reveal the recipes at some
> time.
>
> Also, why not put the recipes on clayart, for the sake of having more
> folks using stable glazes? I though that was the goal. I understand
> keeping things under wraps for a time but time has passed. The recipes
> are
> trickling out and will soon be totally out. This give them a chance to
> post the recipe as they want it for the archives.
>
> Is this unreasonable?
>
> President of the Glaze Recipe Free Trade Association
> John Britt
> www.johnbrittpottery.com
>
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John Britt on thu 19 may 05
Jocelyn,
You write: "Those submitting Ron and John's recipes to a magazine are
technically
sound in doing so, however you are right in that it exposed the morals
of these individuals to be somewhat lacking in this area.
Or perhaps the submittance of these recipes is pure coincidence? "
Another possibility is that not everyone in the world reads clayart!
Perhaps no one has told them the rules, so they are, in fact, not breaking
them.
Incidently, I have submitted another post twice and for some reason it is
not coming up on clayart. I don't understand why? It is the one John H.
relpied to.
John Britt
www.johnbrittpottery.com
Steve Slatin on thu 19 may 05
John --
Is it an accident that the acronym for your
organization -- Glaze Recipe Free Trade Association -
GRFTA -- can be pronounced grifter?
Joking aside, the authors of mastering ^6 glazes have
asked that the recipes not be posted, and out of
respect for them, most of us have not passed them
around. When they decide differently, we will
appreciate their decision (as we do yours to share
info on oilspot glazes).
Best wishes -- Steve Slatin
--- John Britt wrote:
> Also, why not put the recipes on clayart, for the
> sake of having more
> folks using stable glazes? I though that was the
> goal. I understand
> keeping things under wraps for a time but time has
> passed. The recipes are
> trickling out and will soon be totally out. This
> give them a chance to
> post the recipe as they want it for the archives.
>
> Is this unreasonable?
>
> President of the Glaze Recipe Free Trade Association
> John Britt
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Lee Love on fri 20 may 05
:
It is too bad , that discussion here always seems to end up with someone
covering their ears and shouting, "Hippie!" , "Bullshit!", or "Myth!"
Just goes to show how far civil discourse has deteriorated in our
culture. It is a little bit scary.
CDG wrote
> Free the MC6 Glazes!!!!
.No, just "free thought and open thought." The glazes are of no personal
use to me. We are speaking about principle
We shouldn't have to buy the book or learn the "secret handshake" to
join in the discussion. This type of exclusivity is better done on a
private list, that is provided for the use of the specific book's buyers.
FYI: The fair use section on US copyright law I provide below:
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Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of
a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or
phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for
purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including
multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an
infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work
in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall
include—
(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is
of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the
copyrighted work as a whole; and
(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the
copyrighted work.
The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of
fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above
factors.
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Kathi LeSueur on fri 20 may 05
John Britt wrote:
>I don't believe that posting the recipes will stop people from buying the
>book. Even Daniel Rhodes is still selling books and we post his recipes
>all the time...........
>
As I read this continuing discussion I have to say that once again
people are missing the point of a book. There is a reason that the title
is "Mastering Cone 6 Glazes". People take that book or the Rhodes books
or any other book with glaze recipes in them and ignore the rest of the
book.
I bought the book and I don't even fire at cone 6, I fire at cone 10.
But there is a wealth of information about glazing in the book that can
be applied to all glazes. It is an understanding of the nature of glazes
that is the point. Our society wants cheap answers. It doesn't want to
do the research to find out what the real answers are or how to do
something right. So, take the recipe. Use it. And then complain because
it doesn't work fight for you. So often people ask me for a glaze
recipe. I give it to them. They ask nothing about how I fire it. A
recipe is the starting point not the end. And, if for that reason only,
I can understand why Ron and John don't want their glazes published. If
you want to share the recipe, share the book. Lots of times I've
borrowed a technical book only to buy it myself later. I want the
information handy. John and Ron's book was worth every penny I spent and
it had nothing to do with getting a set of recipes.
Kathi
>
>
Darlene Yarnetsky-Mudcat Pottery on fri 20 may 05
I seem to remember reading recently John or Roy saying the initial
need for not posting the recipes was past. Correct me if I am
wrong. I can certainly understand why they wanted the recipes not
posted for 3000 readers immediately. And lord knows they have given
much of the other information in the book freely over the years.
I was really broke when the book first came out, and finally
requested it through interlibrary loan. 2 weeks was not enough time
for me, though and six months later I borrowed it again. Used the
testing information immediately and vowed to buy myself a copy
later. Not only is it a good book, but I wanted to support Ron and
John for their years of information given on clayart and their
article in CM which answered many of my questions. I finally have my
own copy of the book and still haven't gotten around to trying their
glazes, but I am very glad to have another source of information
about formulating and testing.
I do not believe their intent was to be stingy or unsharing. Anyone
following this list for a few years knows that. Anyone who has gone
to John's website knows that. Holding back the recipes was
requested, and I believe that out of respect for them it was
reasonable for us to comply.
Darlene Yarnetsky
Mudcat Pottery
Madison, Indiana, USA
bill edwards on fri 20 may 05
Does anyone ever leave a recipe for a glaze intact
forever? NO! They find many ways to manipulate glazes
and at times we see varients of one glaze made in
countless ways using every color under the sun and
then some.
I didn't buy the book but intend on getting one for my
library of references. I have plenty of my own that I
trust and have lab tested and used and I had been
using various ramps up and down for years. There's
some good about this all and we do have respect for
Ron and John and they should, as any business people
should, be given respect for their work. I think most
have honored that in every way even to the point of
being defensive on their behalf.
If you check the archives you will see where I have
always tried to get those who posts glaze recipes to
post their known sources for credit. That part is
essential so that we can give proper credit to those
who develop glazes and provide that information to the
group. Ron and John's glazes was pushed to the limit
for apparent durability/stability using melt
techniques and good chemistry to achive a specific set
of goals where an oxidation glaze can take on that
reduction look not often found in oxidation glazes. I
base this on the pictures, their own words in the
archives and other peoples statements and the few
pieces other artists have sent me as gifts.
So please, always try and give the author of the glaze
proper credit and if you have a varient glaze
attribute the base if you know it to the origin it
started from. This way we can learn more as to why a
glaze can get better or worse based on the additions
or reductions from one material to another. One base
will not sustain the same durable/stable course when
changing out the colorants used. I have also done this
as well under lab controlled experimentation using one
base and 6 colorants at the same levels to check the
bases ability to hold colorants and how they effect
the base or how the base effects the colorants at the
same load.
John H. can be attributed to finding that 2% copper
seems to hold its ground in testing but more will
usually start releasing above the standards that are
acceptable. It's one of the easier ingredients in our
colorants system that is easily melted and easily
released in some glazes that aren't up to snuff and
some can't take the heat. I had a base that I used for
one lab test that reached 4.25 before it lost its
ability to hold the colorant, but it wasn't a pretty
glaze and heat work didn't give it any extra appeal
that I could achieve at 2% in a different base without
any special heat ramps. There's alot more to find out
about all colors. I also worked with reds or various
shades of reds for years. I attributed that work with
Lana Wilson and asking her if I could use a base
recipe to begin my studies. She was a trooper and
agree'd that that's what they were for. I latter made
so many changes to the base that the whole formulation
took on a differnt pattern but I learned a massive
ammount from Lana's base by studying effects. Latter I
developed several reliable reds from chromium that
worked for me everytime, but some didn't travel as
well and I learned that everyone out there was
changing or adding something or weighing in +/- more
chromium and tin than what I had listed, some would
write me back, send their changed recipes and ask me
why it didn't work the first time around???? I would
look at what they sent, it would be different than
what I published and they would write back they got it
from so and so as is with my name. So it's easy to get
it all tangled up and highly confusing when there's no
specific way to settle who is doing what. Giving
proper credit is a great start but not a cure. Give it
anyways to the person(s) who worked to achieve that
recipes end. Then if you know the glaze was made for
durability and stability, let others know you know for
a fact or think this one was made for durable wares or
is just an artistic glaze. If it's an artistic glaze
used for aesthetic purposes you will see a group of
guru's start tinkering with it to attempt to put it
into the category of stability while not changing the
look upon firing. This is something they enjoy or at
times, enjoy getting others to do for their own
research purposes. (Of course they do). It would take
5 life-times to achieve that result if guru's didn't
use their heads. They are paid for being smart!
Send recipes to the group that you want to try. Make
sure they are published, released recipes and the
authors have permitted you that freedom. Use their
names and potentials use of that glaze if you have
that information. I still would like to see some pull
up some of the older recipes I wrote thats archived
and work them over again and again. I have only so
much time in a day and have exhausted many of them
through testing. Alisa in Denmark had tested many of
the glazes I wrote with my permission and published
them. Why? Because I could never do all that work on
my own and there's many variables out there at work
that I needed to know. Different people use different
techniques, materials and firing.
Whatever happened to Abibi?? (sp?)
Bill Edwards
Edmar Studio and Gallery
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Lee Love on sat 21 may 05
On 2005/05/20 22:45:16, apottersmark@yahoo.com wrote:
> Whatever happened to Abibi?? (sp?)
Ababi Sharon, Bless him, he died 19 Jun 2004
http://members4.clubphoto.com/ababi306910/
http://www.milkywayceramics.com/cgallery/asharon.htm
http://www.israel-ceramics.org/membersGallery/personalpage.asp?MID=507
http://www.matrix2000.co.nz/Matrix%20Demo/Ababi.htm
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Lee In Mashiko, Japan
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