marianne kuiper milks on mon 16 may 05
Steve: another thing: the original recipe was ( Bailey C 6, GA12) Custer F 20.0%, Frit F3134 20.0%, Kaolin, Wollastonite and Flint all 20.0% each. I don't have F3134, which is why I jumped ship and swam to the other one. Was that REALLY bad?
Marianne
'kWens je een zonnige dag.
Steve Slatin wrote:
Dear Marianne --
Admittedly, Bailey is confusing in that sometimes when
a recipe appears, it will say something like "Soda
Feldspar" or "Calcium Borate Frit." From the recipe
pages it's not clear what he means, but at the back of
the book, p. 117 and beyond, he organizes things so
you can find substitutes that will work.
This actually makes Bailey more valuable than a
simpler recipe book, though it's lots harder to use --
For example, in reading his recipes with frits,
sometimes he'll be specific and call for, say, Frit
3110. (If he does, and you're a beginner, don't try
to substitute. It's possible but typically very
difficult.) Maybe he says "Calcium Borate Frit."
Page 119 he shows 4 frits as "Calcium Borate." One is
a US Ferro; Frit 3124. If you go to a frit
substitution page -- there are several on the web, I
use http://mysite.verizon.net/vze778gn/frits.html --
you get the Pemco and Hommel equivalents for 3124.
Now you've got 6 to choose from. Likewise with soda
feldspars and Potash feldspars, he lists several of
each. While they differ somewhat in composition, for
a first try at a glaze it may be worth simply
substituting one-for-one.
It's always a problem when you're starting out to pick
a glaze to work with. One is formulated for the wrong
cone, a second calls for a crash cool and your other
glazes don't respond well, a third requires
ingredients you don't have, a fourth is beautiful but
not food-safe, etc. Take heart! Lots of really great
glazes will work with your procedure, whatever it is
-- and many fine potters have just 3-4 base glazes,
and a few oxide variations.
--- marianne kuiper milks
wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> Funny" it was the Michael Bayley book Mastering Cone
> 6
> I used. And it did just say "frit",which was
> terribly
> confusing to me. But I will take your advise re
> meddling and muddle only with things that make
> sense.
> At times I'm not surewhether I'm fiddling with
> Merlin
> or cooking in Hell's Kitchen! Thanks for replying: I
> will be choicy!
>
> Marianne
Steve Slatin --
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gjudson on mon 16 may 05
Marianne, I identify with your experience. I am working on my third =
attempt
at glaze making. Along with the challenge of making glazes for the =
first
time--and not really understanding what I am doing--I was also fighting =
with
a kiln that was not functioning properly. My first attempt was last =
fall
and I was working from Mastering Cone 6 Glazes (John & Ron's book). I =
made
up 6 of the glazes--using the book like a cookbook, not like a lesson =
book
as it was intended. I guess that 4 of the 6 I mixed up came out OK. =
But I
think they were too thick. The second batch I tried to lower the =
specific
gravity and re-tested those 6 and 3 more. However, this time the kiln
failed to reach temperature THREE different attempts at firing after =
having
the kiln worked on between each attempt. Finally gave up on the kiln =
and
now I have a brand new Skutt and high hopes for the glazes I am mixing =
today
and tomorrow. I keep reading the books--seems like I get more out of =
them
after working through the process some. I am now also working with =
Michael
Bailey's book--and really trying to study what he is offering instead of
just picking out a pretty glaze.
I don't have any suggestions to offer--just some companionship along the
way. I have high hopes for the new glazes coming out of the new kiln!
Wishing you success, also.
Gay Judson deep in the heart of Texas, San Antonio
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of marianne =
kuiper
milks
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 9:48 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Frits to Steve PS
Steve: another thing: the original recipe was ( Bailey C 6, GA12) Custer =
F
20.0%, Frit F3134 20.0%, Kaolin, Wollastonite and Fl
[GJJ]=20
int all 20.0% each. I don't have F3134, which is why I jumped ship and =
swam
to the other one. Was that REALLY bad?
Marianne
'kWens je een zonnige dag.
Steve Slatin wrote:
Dear Marianne --
Admittedly, Bailey is confusing in that sometimes when
a recipe appears, it will say something like "Soda
Feldspar" or "Calcium Borate Frit." From the recipe
pages it's not clear what he means, but at the back of
the book, p. 117 and beyond, he organizes things so
you can find substitutes that will work.
This actually makes Bailey more valuable than a
simpler recipe book, though it's lots harder to use --
For example, in reading his recipes with frits,
sometimes he'll be specific and call for, say, Frit
3110. (If he does, and you're a beginner, don't try
to substitute. It's possible but typically very
difficult.) Maybe he says "Calcium Borate Frit."
Page 119 he shows 4 frits as "Calcium Borate." One is
a US Ferro; Frit 3124. If you go to a frit
substitution page -- there are several on the web, I
use http://mysite.verizon.net/vze778gn/frits.html --
you get the Pemco and Hommel equivalents for 3124.
Now you've got 6 to choose from. Likewise with soda
feldspars and Potash feldspars, he lists several of
each. While they differ somewhat in composition, for
a first try at a glaze it may be worth simply
substituting one-for-one.
It's always a problem when you're starting out to pick
a glaze to work with. One is formulated for the wrong
cone, a second calls for a crash cool and your other
glazes don't respond well, a third requires
ingredients you don't have, a fourth is beautiful but
not food-safe, etc. Take heart! Lots of really great
glazes will work with your procedure, whatever it is
-- and many fine potters have just 3-4 base glazes,
and a few oxide variations.
--- marianne kuiper milks
wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> Funny" it was the Michael Bayley book Mastering Cone
> 6
> I used. And it did just say "frit",which was
> terribly
> confusing to me. But I will take your advise re
> meddling and muddle only with things that make
> sense.
> At times I'm not surewhether I'm fiddling with
> Merlin
> or cooking in Hell's Kitchen! Thanks for replying: I
> will be choicy!
>
> Marianne
Steve Slatin --
Sera que ela mexe o chocalho ou o chocalho e que mexe com ela
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