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Marcia Selsor on fri 3 dec 04

Excuse me but there is a history of early potters in Spain. How early
is early?
You know the Dama del Elche? ..and the pottery of the early Iberians?
Franciose, we have communicated years ago about the local potters in SE
Spain. I believe you were living in or near Nijar, a well known pottery
Since the saggar was used to protect majolica glazed ware in Spain in
the 12 th and 13th C. and the need to do so spread with the production
of tin-glaze as it went North through France, East to Italy, over to
Staffordshire in England and up to Delft land, it seems to me to be
quite feasible that the word could indeed be from Spanish. Medieval
lead glazed ware that was not majolica was not put in saggars to my
knowledge. The use of coal to fire ware increased the need for saggars
to protect the glaze from coal clinkers.
Marcia Selsor

On Dec 3, 2004, at 12:15 PM, F. Chapman Baudelot wrote:

> Hi Mishy et al,
> Yes, I'm still out here and do occasionally rapidly scroll down
> through my
> Clayart digest, but for the past year I have not been making any pots
> for
> various personal reasons.
> Unfortunately, as far as I know, there is no history of early Spanish
> potters working in Spain. As for the etymology of the word
> 'saggar', I
> do not see why it should have anything to do with the Spanish verb
> 'sacar'
> which means 'to take out'. True, the word for sack is 'saco' in
> Spanish
> and 'sac' in French, but that does not seem relevant.
> Luv to all out there who remember me,
> Francoise in Spain
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Ivor and Olive Lewis on sun 5 dec 04

Just two points.
1 Is it historically true that the Moors who produced Moorish Lustre
Ware inhabited the Southern Iberian Peninsula during the 11th to 14th
2 Is it also true that, after the Armada Fiasco, Spanish ships were
blown off course by the gale and circumnavigated the British Isles
where some of them landed and settled the western coasts of England?

Never was any good at this history thing but someone must have the
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis.
S. Australia.