Llewellyn Kouba on wed 27 oct 04
Phil,
Have you tried the cheese cloth? I don't know why I am curious how all this
works. When the clay does shrink as it will and the parts of the piece have
been joined and reinforced with cloth or fiber....which does not
shrink...how this can still all work unless the clay has to shrink more in
places where the fiber was not used? I suspect you wouldn't want to over
fiber either but just where needed and only seams, joints and areas
suspected of usual troubles and not the whole realm of the work. I have
never tried all this but am about to here when I get around to it soon
hopefully.
Llewellyn Kouba
At 06:41 PM 10/27/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>Phil,
>
>I had thought of cheesecloth earlier too but I imagine the heavier roofing
>gauze -mesh will be stronger. I am planning to do a 3 -4 foot tall and
>almost as wide water feature (built in sections of course - then assembled
>afterward) so I am looking for something to reinforce and strengthen the
>dry tensile of the whole project and hope for few to no cracks if that is
>ever possible on any larger works.
>
>Llewellyn
>
>
>At 05:41 PM 10/27/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>>Try cheesecloth. It works great.
>>
>>Phil Davenport
>>Horseshoe Pottery
>>Garland, Tx
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Llewellyn
>>Kouba
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:19 AM
>>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>>Subject: Sculpting cloth
>>
>>My clay supplier sells a product Plaster cloth which is
>>Plaster-impregnated
>>gauze material ideal for 3 - dimensional projects. My question is can
>>this
>>be used for clay related projects like sculpting and hand-building? I
>>have
>>always thought clay and plaster do not mix. Is there a Gauze or cloth
>>material without the plaster that can be used as soaked in the slip
>>bucket
>>and applied to the project for added strength. Thank you
>>
>>Llewellyn Kouba
>>Abbey Pottery
>>
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Llewellyn Kouba on wed 27 oct 04
My clay supplier sells a product Plaster cloth which is Plaster-impregnated
gauze material ideal for 3 - dimensional projects. My question is can this
be used for clay related projects like sculpting and hand-building? I have
always thought clay and plaster do not mix. Is there a Gauze or cloth
material without the plaster that can be used as soaked in the slip bucket
and applied to the project for added strength. Thank you
Llewellyn Kouba
Abbey Pottery
Warren Heintz on wed 27 oct 04
When paster impregnated gauaze were use for cast on
broken bones they were called "specialist bandages".
They can be used sculpturally,but not with clay as per
your understanding. The gauze dipped in slip idea
sounds like a good one to use with clay. But there is
nothing on the market that I know of,sounds like a
home made thing. W.
--- Llewellyn Kouba
wrote:
> My clay supplier sells a product Plaster cloth which
> is Plaster-impregnated
> gauze material ideal for 3 - dimensional projects.
> My question is can this
> be used for clay related projects like sculpting and
> hand-building? I have
> always thought clay and plaster do not mix. Is
> there a Gauze or cloth
> material without the plaster that can be used as
> soaked in the slip bucket
> and applied to the project for added strength.
> Thank you
>
> Llewellyn Kouba
> Abbey Pottery
>
>
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Mayssan Shora Farra on wed 27 oct 04
Hello LlewellYn:
I read once that they used cloth or lace soaked in Porcelain slip to make
clothes ( Balllerina tutus for instance) and I tried it once. what I came
up with was not strong enough, as in the book they said to use natural
material so it burns off in the kiln and leaves the clay standing. No
synthetic because it changes shape as it burns.
My experiment was a flop and it didn't hold my interest to examine it
further, I wish you luck with yours. and hope it is a success.
Mayssan
http://www.clayvillepottery.com
Llewellyn Kouba on wed 27 oct 04
Mayssan,
I know a lady who lived out in CA for some years and had a business doing
the porcelain dolls. She used the lace and porc methods and the cloth
fired away and left beautiful cloth like images behind. She added tiny
roses she made on a toothpick and her work was professional and stunning if
you are a doll collector. Unfortunately the lady is now in her 80's and
does not live nearby and I do not know her process but she is (was?) on
computer at one time but am not sure how her health is now etc. It can be
done. The process I was looking at suggested the material was fiberglass
and that it would remain as a strong bond with the work and if fired higher
would have some residue left but by then the work would be matured and able
to stand on its own tensil anyway. It was supposed to be nice for adding
dry tensil strength as well as in the kiln. You still need to know good
ceramic joining etc but could be a help for large work or where extra
strength would be needed (ex. fountains and bowls to be large and leak
proof etc). but so far do not know where you find the material. Thank you
for your input
Llewellyn
At 01:17 PM 10/27/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello LlewellYn:
>
>I read once that they used cloth or lace soaked in Porcelain slip to make
>clothes ( Balllerina tutus for instance) and I tried it once. what I came
>up with was not strong enough, as in the book they said to use natural
>material so it burns off in the kiln and leaves the clay standing. No
>synthetic because it changes shape as it burns.
>
>My experiment was a flop and it didn't hold my interest to examine it
>further, I wish you luck with yours. and hope it is a success.
>
>Mayssan
>
>http://www.clayvillepottery.com
>
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Phil Davenport on wed 27 oct 04
Try cheesecloth. It works great.
Phil Davenport
Horseshoe Pottery
Garland, Tx
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Llewellyn
Kouba
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:19 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Sculpting cloth
My clay supplier sells a product Plaster cloth which is
Plaster-impregnated
gauze material ideal for 3 - dimensional projects. My question is can
this
be used for clay related projects like sculpting and hand-building? I
have
always thought clay and plaster do not mix. Is there a Gauze or cloth
material without the plaster that can be used as soaked in the slip
bucket
and applied to the project for added strength. Thank you
Llewellyn Kouba
Abbey Pottery
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Llewellyn Kouba on wed 27 oct 04
Phil,
I had thought of cheesecloth earlier too but I imagine the heavier roofing
gauze -mesh will be stronger. I am planning to do a 3 -4 foot tall and
almost as wide water feature (built in sections of course - then assembled
afterward) so I am looking for something to reinforce and strengthen the
dry tensile of the whole project and hope for few to no cracks if that is
ever possible on any larger works.
Llewellyn
At 05:41 PM 10/27/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Try cheesecloth. It works great.
>
>Phil Davenport
>Horseshoe Pottery
>Garland, Tx
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Llewellyn
>Kouba
>Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:19 AM
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Sculpting cloth
>
>My clay supplier sells a product Plaster cloth which is
>Plaster-impregnated
>gauze material ideal for 3 - dimensional projects. My question is can
>this
>be used for clay related projects like sculpting and hand-building? I
>have
>always thought clay and plaster do not mix. Is there a Gauze or cloth
>material without the plaster that can be used as soaked in the slip
>bucket
>and applied to the project for added strength. Thank you
>
>Llewellyn Kouba
>Abbey Pottery
>
>________________________________________________________________________
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Daraburn@AOL.COM on thu 28 oct 04
Does the cloth burning out harm the elements in an electric kiln?
Dawn in Tennessee
Bonnie Staffel on fri 29 oct 04
Dear Llewellyn,
The material used is commonly called cheesecloth and can be purchased in any
hardware or other similar store. I remember when Daniel Rhodes used
fiberglass cloth dipped in slip to create his work. You might check his
book for his method. Also the "slip/dip" hobby ceramic places have been
making "lace" for years by dipping lace into slip with the resulting pattern
remaining. Lots of fun here.
Regards,
Bonnie Staffel
http://webpages.charter.net/bstaffel
http://www.vasefinder.com/
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