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oh for pity's sake/lee, bob, now tony--kelly's tiles--long

updated tue 20 apr 04


lili krakowski on fri 16 apr 04

Ok Newbies, pay attention here. We are having another go around in the

Lee quite rightly said, if I understand him correctly, that
generalizations about glazes and techniques and so on are foolish.
That indeed there are glazes in what one might call the "Bumblebee
School of Reality" (according to scientific calculations bumble bees
can't fly) that may appear unsafe but are not. Or will not be unsafe
in certain circumstances. ( I once bought a raincoat that was fine and
kept me dry as long as it did not get wet. Got refund)

He is quite right that one cannot slam a one-size-fits all rule on every
clay and glaze in the galaxy.

And then Bob felt that Lee must believe in the Tooth Fairy (I do!) and
life is not like that, and Lee is living in the Glorious Past and so

And then Tony--again, if I read him correctly--said that there are
(paraphrasing here) kinda superstitions about glaze materials and like
that and he was going to stand in the road and breathe dust (silica)and
smoke a cigar --and in Canada they CAN get Havanas--to show he was no
fraidy cat.

But one of the points and purposes of Clayart has been to inform. I
have learned a lot about safety and so on from Clayart. Not that I
ever neglected these things, but at the time I was trained many dangers
were ignored. Or "How We Handled Raw White and Red Lead Barehanded."
So I not only read Monona Rossol religiously, but I am very careful.
Very very careful.

What we all must be aware of is that an old lady driving a car spilled
coffee on herself and McDonald's ended up paying her a pretty penny
because it was THEIR coffee. Now in MY opinion an old lady should know
better than to try to drive and drink hot coffee at the same time. BUT

We, as potters, are at risk, as are all of us, of being blamed when a
customer has an accident with one of our "products". And it seems to
me that being a extra careful is a good idea. Yes, in Japan things may
be different. Or in Canada. But in the US right now avoiding risk is
a good idea. Period.

FOR INSTANCE: my concern for Kelly's home-made floortiles is that if
someone slips her homeowner's insurance might not pay. Kelly, be an
angel-lamb, check it out FIRST.

And, yes. The Tooth Fairy now carries liability insurance. She was
sued when a crown came off; her argument was that she covers only baby
teeth. After years of legal battles, she won--but her legal fees were

FYI . All the above is why I got into a mini-debate with Ron some time
ago, about my dislike for using Majolica as a name for ANY c.6 glazes.
Majolica classically, traditionally, is an eartherware lead/tin glaze.
I hate the idea of people feeling majolica necessarily is food safe,
because they have seen "majolica" that is
leadfree, dishwasher and microwave safe (says so on the bottom) I very
much doubt that old m. is! Beautiful yes, safe???????????

lili krakowski
Constableville, NY 13325

Be of good courage

Ingeborg Foco on fri 16 apr 04

Lili said " FOR INSTANCE: my concern for Kelly's home-made floor
tiles is that if
> someone slips her homeowner's insurance might not pay. Kelly, be an
> angel-lamb, check it out FIRST."

Lily with all due respect " poppy cock"

the Potter's Workshop & Gallery
P.O. Box 510
3058 Stringfellow Road
St. James City, Florida 33956


James Bowen on sun 18 apr 04

When you deal with the public you don't serve coffee that
will scald your customer. You also clear the snow and ice
from your walks before you open and before your employees
arrive for work. You protect your employees and customers as
best you can. Many years ago when I was a small town
Postmaster we received a notice that a lobby desk had turned
over killing a child when he tried to climb up on it. We
were ordered to fasten lobby desks to the walls and floors.
At that point in time those desks had been installed in
nearly everyone of the 22,000 Post Offices in the nation for
over 30 years and no one (as best we could tell) had ever
been injured. The very next year a child tried to climb up
on one in the Midwest and it tipped over and killed his
little brother. The Postmaster and the Postmaster's
immediate supervisor should have been immediately terminated
because the Postmaster had failed to follow instructions and
the manager had failed to make sure the interactions were
followed. I don't know what disciplinary action was actually
taken, but that's what should have happened at the least.
I agree with Tony and Lee that there is little likelihood of
poisoning by occasional use of pots lined with Oribe, but
you should put a disclaimer with the pots for the first
purchaser. Like all things used subsequent users are on
their own.

James Bowen
Boyero Colorado