Vince Pitelka on fri 7 nov 03
Anyone have any idea why manufacturers do not make
a mixing _vacuum_ pugmill?
Wayne -
Isn't the deairing Peter Pugger exactly what you are looking for?
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Technological University
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Lisa Skeen on fri 7 nov 03
Hey Wayne, apparently you din't see EVERYTHING there was to see when you were here. I am the proud owner of Peter Pugger's smallest product, the VPM-20. It mixes, it pugs, it vacuums. It costs about $3K. If it'd cook dinner, we could move it in the house. ;)
L. P. Skeen http://www.living-tree.net
Living Tree Pottery
Summerfield, NC
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: mixing pugmills
> From: "wayneinkeywest"
> Anyone have any idea why manufacturers do not make
> a mixing _vacuum_ pugmill? None of the ones I have
> seen advertised do it all. You can get a vacuum
> pugmill, or a mixer/pugmill, but not a mixing and
> vacuum pugmill.
wayneinkeywest on fri 7 nov 03
Anyone have any idea why manufacturers do not make=20
a mixing _vacuum_ pugmill? None of the ones I have=20
seen advertised do it all. You can get a vacuum=20
pugmill, or a mixer/pugmill, but not a mixing and=20
vacuum pugmill. Seems a simple gate seal at the=20
end of the pugging chamber would suffice to=20
separate it from the mixer, and allow vacuum=20
in the pugging chamber. Heck, my little
kitchen vacuum sealer does it with almost no
weight on the lid. Can't be THAT difficult.
Or did I miss a particular model and manufacturer? The two=20
manufacturers I called basically laughed at=20
me on the phone. One said "Oh, you have=20
to buy a mixer AND a vac pugmill. (I could=20
hear the dollar sign in their voice.) Guess=20
whose products I won't be buying? And their price
for the pugmill is currently the cheapest.
Wayne Seidl
kinda hoping Santa drops one down the chimney this year=20
(yeah, right)
Michael Wendt on fri 7 nov 03
Wayne,
I built a mixer that is air tight and thus mixes the clay in a vacuum. The
result is clay that is utterly deaired throughout and plasticicty that
defies belief. I can pull a handle with the Helmer body that is 38% Helmer
and 62% non plastics and if I pull too hard, the clay often stretches out
longer without breaking. Air is , I believe , one of the major culprits in
the behavior we call "shortness " in a clay body.
My next project after the first of the year is to build a larger mixer that
can also extrude using a totally new (at least I've never seen it elsewhere)
concept which shall remain secret pending patent search.
Talk to Paul Borian about his marvelous success building his own mixer. He
did a great job on his own from scratch and he could probably give you some
pointers too.
Regards,
Michael Wendt
Wendt Pottery
2729 Clearwater Ave
Lewiston, ID 83501
wendtpot@lewiston.com
www.wendtpottery.com
Wayne wrote:
Anyone have any idea why manufacturers do not make
a mixing _vacuum_ pugmill? None of the ones I have
seen advertised do it all. You can get a vacuum
pugmill, or a mixer/pugmill, but not a mixing and
vacuum pugmill.
wayneinkeywest on sat 8 nov 03
Lisa:
I did see the VPM-20. Touched it even! (Ohhhh, baby! :>)
But it won't do 100 lbs at a time from dry materials.
Only their pugger-mixer does that (the PM-50), and it won't de-air.
Does Ginny know you're planning on replacing her most excellent culinary
abilities ?
Hugs to you both,
Wayne
> Hey Wayne, apparently you din't see EVERYTHING there was to see when you
were here. I am the proud owner of Peter Pugger's smallest product, the
VPM-20. It mixes, it pugs, it vacuums. It costs about $3K. If it'd cook
dinner, we could move it in the house. ;)
> L. P. Skeen http://www.living-tree.net
> Living Tree Pottery
> Summerfield, NC
.
wayneinkeywest on sat 8 nov 03
Michael:
Not being totally inept mechanically (hardly!), your idea intrigues me.
Sounds like exactly what I'm looking for. Do you have the mixer in
production and for sale, are plans available, can you (would you) supply
more information? Feel free to contact me off list.
What I'm trying to do is save space by combining machines. Those two;
mixer/pugger are a natural marriage.
Best Regards,
Wayne Seidl
> Wayne,
> I built a mixer that is air tight and thus mixes the clay in a vacuum. The
> result is clay that is utterly deaired throughout and plasticicty that
> defies belief. I can pull a handle with the Helmer body that is 38% Helmer
> and 62% non plastics and if I pull too hard, the clay often stretches out
> longer without breaking. Air is , I believe , one of the major culprits in
> the behavior we call "shortness " in a clay body.
> My next project after the first of the year is to build a larger mixer
that
> can also extrude using a totally new (at least I've never seen it
elsewhere)
> concept which shall remain secret pending patent search.
> Talk to Paul Borian about his marvelous success building his own mixer. He
> did a great job on his own from scratch and he could probably give you
some
> pointers too.
> Regards,
>
> Michael Wendt
> Wendt Pottery
> 2729 Clearwater Ave
> Lewiston, ID 83501
> wendtpot@lewiston.com
> www.wendtpottery.com
> Wayne wrote:
> Anyone have any idea why manufacturers do not make
> a mixing _vacuum_ pugmill? None of the ones I have
> seen advertised do it all. You can get a vacuum
> pugmill, or a mixer/pugmill, but not a mixing and
> vacuum pugmill.
>
>
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Lisa Skeen on sat 8 nov 03
I was under the impression (perhaps incorrect) that PP had a deairing model of all their sizes, no?
I ain't replacin' NOTHIN' about Ginny! ;)
L
L. P. Skeen http://www.living-tree.net
Living Tree Pottery
Summerfield, NC
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: mixing pugmills
>
> Lisa:
> I did see the VPM-20. Touched it even! (Ohhhh, baby! :>)
> But it won't do 100 lbs at a time from dry materials.
> Only their pugger-mixer does that (the PM-50), and it won't de-air.
> Does Ginny know you're planning on replacing her most excellent
> culinary
> abilities ?
wayneinkeywest on sat 8 nov 03
Unfortunately not. The folk I spoke to said that they do NOT recommend
using a VPM-20 for mixing of clay from dry materials, and suggested one of
their mixer/pugmills, which do NOT de-air.
I still think one machine should be able to do both. But that would just
make sense, and not profits.
Wayne Seidl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa Skeen"
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: mixing pugmills
> I was under the impression (perhaps incorrect) that PP had a deairing
model of all their sizes, no?
> I ain't replacin' NOTHIN' about Ginny! ;)
>
> L
> L. P. Skeen http://www.living-tree.net
> Living Tree Pottery
> Summerfield, NC
>
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: mixing pugmills
> >
> > Lisa:
> > I did see the VPM-20. Touched it even! (Ohhhh, baby! :>)
> > But it won't do 100 lbs at a time from dry materials.
> > Only their pugger-mixer does that (the PM-50), and it won't de-air.
> > Does Ginny know you're planning on replacing her most excellent
> > culinary
> > abilities ?
>
>
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annsemple on sat 8 nov 03
Wayne
Peter Pugger makes a mixer/pugger/vacuum (I have the VPM 30 - Vacuum Pugger
Mixer 30)
It's perfect for my needs.
drop Andrew an email at peterpugger@pacific.net.
Or go to their web site at www.peterpugger.com and look at the specs
annsemple@shaw.ca
oooO
( )Clayfoot Crockery
\ ( Victoria, B.C. Canada
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Steve Slatin on sat 8 nov 03
Wayne --
One interesting thing about clay equipment is that most of
the wholly new ideas are created by a clay enthusiast who sees
a need for something for his/her own use and makes it, adding
to the range of what is generally available. This is the way
that old-fashioned manufacturing once worked -- devise a better
mousetrap, BUILD a better mousetrap, SELL a better mousetrap.
Your idea sounds great, why not build one and see how it works?
this could be the idea that, dare I say, gets your career "out of
the toilets" for good ... gosh that reads even more tasteless than
it seemed before I typed it ...
-- Steve Slatin
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of
wayneinkeywest
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 2:08 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: mixing pugmills
Anyone have any idea why manufacturers do not make
a mixing _vacuum_ pugmill? None of the ones I have
seen advertised do it all. You can get a vacuum
pugmill, or a mixer/pugmill, but not a mixing and
vacuum pugmill. Seems a simple gate seal at the
end of the pugging chamber would suffice to
separate it from the mixer, and allow vacuum
in the pugging chamber. Heck, my little
kitchen vacuum sealer does it with almost no
weight on the lid. Can't be THAT difficult.
Or did I miss a particular model and manufacturer? The two
manufacturers I called basically laughed at
me on the phone. One said "Oh, you have
to buy a mixer AND a vac pugmill. (I could
hear the dollar sign in their voice.) Guess
whose products I won't be buying? And their price
for the pugmill is currently the cheapest.
Wayne Seidl
kinda hoping Santa drops one down the chimney this year
(yeah, right)
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Michael Wendt on sat 8 nov 03
Wayne,
The larger the chamber, the heavier the construction needs to be because the
sum force of 14.7 lbs per sq in will crush a thin light tub at full vacuum.
Most potters are not willing to spend $15,000 for a deairing mixer/extruder
so there is no market for it.
Regards,
Michael Wendt
Wendt Pottery
2729 Clearwater Ave
Lewiston, ID 83501
wendtpot@lewiston.com
www.wendtpottery.com
Lisa Skeen on sat 8 nov 03
Ok smack me if you've heard this, but my understanding of the way these things work is, you put in the dry ingredients, add water, and mix to desired consistency. THEN you clean out the vacuum chamber if necessary, flip the switch, deair and pug. Not sure why that wouldn't work in a VPM20, although I admit I haven' done it yet. Do they think you're gonna suck the dry material into the vacuum?
L. P. Skeen http://www.living-tree.net
Living Tree Pottery
Summerfield, NC
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: mixing pugmills
> Unfortunately not. The folk I spoke to said that they do NOT recommend
> using a VPM-20 for mixing of clay from dry materials
wayneinkeywest on sat 8 nov 03
My apologies to the list. I did not take the
time to do the adequate research that
would have resulted in my finding this
information on my own, choosing
instead to rely on the word of a few
salespersons as truth (my first mistake).
Thanks to the wonderful beings that
inhabit this list, I now have enough
information to make an intelligent,
informed decision.
Again, my apologies, and my
deepest thanks to all.
Wayne Seidl
who is considering adding "D'oh!" to his signature file :>(
50 whacks with a wet (grogged) extrusion.
> Wayne
> Peter Pugger makes a mixer/pugger/vacuum (I have the VPM 30 - Vacuum
Pugger
> Mixer 30)
> It's perfect for my needs.
>
> drop Andrew an email at peterpugger@pacific.net.
> Or go to their web site at www.peterpugger.com and look at the specs
> annsemple@shaw.ca
> oooO
> ( )Clayfoot Crockery
> \ ( Victoria, B.C. Canada
> \ _ )
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