pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on thu 6 nov 03
Hi Vince,
What is it in it's simplist terms?
One possibility...they do not wish others to know or see
their 'name', as then, in some way, in effect, they would
'own' what they have said.
So...it may be a sort if dis-owning...or reluctance to own
or be associated...or to be other than annonymous.
Other possibilities?
Too...I find it nice to see the name of the
place-in-the-world from which someone writes...
In fact...if we had a short, easy to do 'bio' after our
names, we'd have the 'demographic' most of the way done just
with that.
Phil
Las Vegas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vince Pitelka"
I have a pet peeve, that I think is shared by lots of people
online. I think it is incredibly rude to send a post
without signing it - with no name at the bottom, even a
first name. It makes the message so cold and impersonal,
and I always wonder at the motives of someone who would send
a note without signing it.
There is one person in particular on Clayart who does this
regularly. I have asked her about it, but she seems
unwilling to acknowledge my questions or give some reason.
The reality is that there is no rational reason to not sign
a name at the bottom of a message. Clayart is a community -
a remarkably supportive, caring community. Most of us have
become good friends via Clayart. Sending a message without
signing a name seems to subvert that sense of comraderie. I
wonder why anyone would do that?
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
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Susan Setley on thu 6 nov 03
PS I did have one more thought about the name thing...
I have seen in the last couple of months, instances where at least some
people thought one person or another was a troll.
If anyone wants to put their minds to rest about whether I am an amateur
potter, please feel free to take of the pieces I have that don't embarass me
completely. :)
Susan! (Please forgive me if I forget to add my name sometimes)
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4157955&a=30917718&f=0
Vince Pitelka on thu 6 nov 03
> If this is intolerable, I will have to leave. You are the person who drove
me
> off last time -- I seem to rub you wrong, and I am genuinely sorry about
> that, but I just don't like to go head to head with people. I'll leave
first.
Susan -
In my message abot not signing, I mentioned no names. I did not expose
anything from any private conversation between you and me. You chose to
reveal yourself here. That was your decision, and I am not sure why you
decided to subject yourself to that. Please do not imply that I "drove you
off last time." If something caused you to leave Clayart unwillingly, that
is a shame. That should not happen. I cannot imagine anything that would
make me leave Clayart.
I hope you understand the point of my comment about signing messages. I
never said anything about not signing being "intolerable." I said it was a
pet peeve of mine, and that is just my own opinion. Exaggeration does no
one any good. You are welcome to do whatever you want, but I hope you will
stay with us.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Office - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 x111, FAX 615/597-6803
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
terry sullivan on thu 6 nov 03
I can only dito Vinces post. For gods sake sign your post.
I hate it when someone sends us all a message but doesn't tell us who
you are. Some on this list are so well known, we probably know who
you are from your email signature, most do not.
So if you are going to say something to all of us why not tell us who
you are ?
Terry Sullivan
Nottingham Center for the Arts
San Marcos, CA.
www.nottinghamarts.org
Vince Pitelka on thu 6 nov 03
I have a pet peeve, that I think is shared by lots of people online. I =
think it is incredibly rude to send a post without signing it - with no =
name at the bottom, even a first name. It makes the message so cold and =
impersonal, and I always wonder at the motives of someone who would send =
a note without signing it. =20
There is one person in particular on Clayart who does this regularly. I =
have asked her about it, but she seems unwilling to acknowledge my =
questions or give some reason. The reality is that there is no rational =
reason to not sign a name at the bottom of a message. Clayart is a =
community - a remarkably supportive, caring community. Most of us have =
become good friends via Clayart. Sending a message without signing a =
name seems to subvert that sense of comraderie. I wonder why anyone =
would do that? =20
Best wishes -=20
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Office - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 x111, FAX 615/597-6803
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
Susan Setley on thu 6 nov 03
In a message dated 11/6/03 8:48:19 PM, vpitelka@DTCCOM.NET writes:
<< I have a pet peeve, that I think is shared by lots of people online. I
think it is incredibly rude to send a post without signing it - with no name at
the bottom, even a first name. It makes the message so cold and impersonal,
and I always wonder at the motives of someone who would send a note without
signing it.
There is one person in particular on Clayart who does this regularly. I have
asked her about it, but she seems unwilling to acknowledge my questions or
give some reason. >>
Vince, I am so sorry, but please write this down, because I have Attention
Deficit Disorder, and I won't always remember to do it. When we had our PRIVATE
discussion, I think you did ask that, but there were other issues to discuss
as well.
My name is Susan. I choose not to reveal my real surname as it is unusual,
and then I couldn't talk freely about things such as what's going on in my area.
In fact I have already revealed pretty detailed information about where I
live.
So -- my name is Susan. For some reason some people have seen that and others
have not. Others also see my post twice. Sometimes I see Lee's posts twice.
If this is intolerable, I will have to leave. You are the person who drove me
off last time -- I seem to rub you wrong, and I am genuinely sorry about
that, but I just don't like to go head to head with people. I'll leave first.
Vince Pitelka on fri 7 nov 03
> << As you can see I'm signing my message so you think in has some weight.
> But, keep in mind, I could sign any name or identity I wish.... so doesn't
it
> really carry any weight? >>
Sorry, but your whole theory above doesn't carry any weight at all. I don't
care whether someone uses their real name or not, as long as they are
consistent, so that we can get to know them by name over time. That is the
key issue here. By using a name, they become regularly participating
members of the community. There are lots of discussion lists online where
people use nicknames, and still manage to form a tightly united online
community.
I am surprised that anyone would support the notion of not signing a Clayart
message. I am not trying to make any rules, and I have been very clear
about that. This is just my own opinion. But I have yet to see one defense
of "not signing" that makes any sense at all. There simply is no reason at
all not to sign one's messages, and plenty of reason to sign. Whether or
not the sender's name appears in the header is completely irrelevant. The
sender's name should be at the bottom of the message. I see it as a
question of reasonable courtesy and appropriate email protocol. And it
makes such good sense.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Office - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 x111, FAX 615/597-6803
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
elca branman on fri 7 nov 03
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:21:30 -0800 pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET writes:
what they have said.
> So...it may be a sort if dis-owning...or reluctance to own
> or be associated...or to be other than annonymous.
>
> Other possibilities?
Can't remember how to spell it ?
Elca Elka Ilka Branman Brannerman, Brannann
http://www.elcabranman.com
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ASHPOTS@AOL.COM on fri 7 nov 03
I have emailed about this before , Vince is NOT the only that doesnt enjoy
people who wont sign the posts. Whether its a negative or positive , it
should be signed.
If I was the Moderator , unsigned posts would be DELETED, then we wouldnt be
having this discussion.
Mark
Lee Love on fri 7 nov 03
----- Original Message -----
From: "terry sullivan"
> So if you are going to say something to all of us why not tell us who
> you are ?
Just look at the email address. Susan's whole name shows up there,
first and last. Shows up when you quote and reply, just like your name
Terry.
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Elzbieta Sekula on fri 7 nov 03
Many people feel their email addresses are enough of a signature & if one
would look at them, they are.
Personally, I would love if everyone signed their names and added their web
sites. I love looking at everyone's work and knowing who they are.
ELZBIETA, from TEXAS, who doesn't have a web site or I'd post it :-)
In a message dated 11/7/03 8:14:32 AM Central Standard Time, elcab30@JUNO.COM
writes:
> Other possibilities?
>
Susan Setley on fri 7 nov 03
In a message dated 11/7/03 6:18:48 AM, pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET writes:
<<
One possibility...they do not wish others to know or see
their 'name', as then, in some way, in effect, they would
'own' what they have said. >>
ROTFL!!! I've been known for many things but not owning my own opinions. :)
SUSAN!!!!!
Susan Setley on fri 7 nov 03
In a message dated 11/7/03 11:37:11 AM, Muddauberone@AOL.COM writes:
<< Many people feel their email addresses are enough of a signature & if one
would look at them, they are.
Personally, I would love if everyone signed their names and added their web
sites. I love looking at everyone's work and knowing who they are.
ELZBIETA, from TEXAS, who doesn't have a web site or I'd post it :-) >>
My particular system is not compatible with a mailing program, and I am
staying with AOL for now for reasons that are personal. I realize now that the sig
line that appears on AOL does not go with email. However, having had the habit
for AT LEAST 15 years that AOL would automatically add not only my name but a
link to my pottery pictures for me (well the pottey pictures are pretty new),
it's going to be hit and miss.
Frankly after all this uproar I think everyone except the person sending out
email that says I'm not "Susan" and I live in Kansas (neither are true) will
remember who I am now.
SUSAN
Snail Scott on fri 7 nov 03
At 08:20 PM 11/6/03 -0600, you wrote:
>...I think it is incredibly rude to send a post without signing it...
I can't get too upset about this. If I want to
know who sent the post, it's there in the header
information. A 'signature' might be more personal
and friendly, but not more informative or accurate.
(Either one will only convey what the sender wishes
it to, after all.)
(By the way, Susan, your full name does appear in
every complete header. If you want to keep your
last name 'under the radar', you might want to
reformat that. Or maybe it's not your actual name
anyway. I don't care; just thought I'd mention it
in case your Clayart settings don't show it to you.
If you want to be incognito, that's fine with me!)
Whether a 'signature' is missing due to absent-
mindedness, poor netiquette skills, or a desire for
anonymity, it's not something I particularly care
about. I try not to get upset about deliberate
hostility; wasting my useful and valuable
indignation on minor sins of omission surely isn't
worth it. ;) (I need to save that for the
rotten spellers, and lovers of lumpy brown pots!)
-Snail
Catherine White on fri 7 nov 03
Is everyone on the list familiar with using the "signature" tool? This
ensures that the same signature is always attached to one's message. In
Outlook Express, it's found under Tools/Options/Signatures. You can then
write in the "little window" whatever you choose for ending/signing your
messages.
I'm pretty laid back about the idiosyncrasies of others given that I have so
many of my own, but there is something about an unsigned message that's
unsettling. Can't really say why. However, an unsigned message carries no
weight as far as reader interest.
Catherine in Yuma, Arizona
Life is what happens while you're making other plans
----- Original Message -----
> I have emailed about this before , Vince is NOT the only that doesnt enjoy
> people who wont sign the posts. Whether its a negative or positive , it
> should be signed.
> If I was the Moderator , unsigned posts would be DELETED, then we wouldnt
be
> having this discussion.
Michael Wendt on fri 7 nov 03
Dear Susan and all
In Outlook Express go to tools click options click on the signatures tab
and enter a closing signature of your choice and select the option below it
that puts that signature on all your email.
Then you can just write and it puts all that on the end. Then you have to
remember not to sign :-)
Regards,
Michael Wendt
Wendt Pottery
2729 Clearwater Ave
Lewiston, ID 83501
wendtpot@lewiston.com
wendtpottery.com
Susan Setley on fri 7 nov 03
In a message dated 11/7/03 1:01:43 PM, snail@MINDSPRING.COM writes:
<< At 08:20 PM 11/6/03 -0600, you wrote:
>...I think it is incredibly rude to send a post without signing it...
I can't get too upset about this. If I want to
know who sent the post, it's there in the header
information. A 'signature' might be more personal
and friendly, but not more informative or accurate.
(Either one will only convey what the sender wishes
it to, after all.)
>>
I agree with you. I see "snail" in your email address, and that's what sticks
in my mind. You could put anything in your signature. You could say you were
Eleanor Roosevelt. I have to say I am *curious* about how you chose "snail..."
do you have a pond? I used to...
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on fri 7 nov 03
Hi Lee, all...
Except that many e-mails originate from someone-else's
computer or server, and having to them one name in the
e-mail address, and ( if the writer signs,) another at the
close of the message.
I notice many such arrangements.
If I do not rely on the signature on the bottom, the
salutation in my reply may not be to who wrote the message.
Phil
Las Vegas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Love"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "terry sullivan"
>
> > So if you are going to say something to all of us why
not tell us who
> > you are ?
>
>
> Just look at the email address. Susan's whole name
shows up there,
> first and last. Shows up when you quote and reply, just
like your name
> Terry.
>
> --
> Help E.T. Phone Earth: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
>
>
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Susan Setley on fri 7 nov 03
In a message dated 11/7/03 1:01:43 PM, snail@MINDSPRING.COM writes:
<< (I need to save that for the
rotten spellers, >>
Having taught students with learning disabilities all my life and have known
some wonderful people who were dyslexic and rotten spellers -- I would give
you a run for your money on that. :)
In fact, recent research (I'm retired but I still pay attention to my field)
shows that dyslexics are more likely to have significant artistic ability than
the rest of us.
Susan Setley on fri 7 nov 03
In a message dated 11/7/03 1:02:11 PM, ncwhite@ADELPHIA.NET writes:
<< Is everyone on the list familiar with using the "signature" tool? This
ensures that the same signature is always attached to one's message. In
Outlook Express, it's found under Tools/Options/Signatures. You can then
write in the "little window" whatever you choose for ending/signing your
messages.
>>
Not every computer and internet connection can even use something like that.
I am limited by what I use.
Susan
Gerry Lockhart on fri 7 nov 03
I just joined this list group within the past week, searching for knowledge
and maybe as I learn I can share some of the knowledge back with others on
here.
But, I find this personal nit picking, absurd! Grow up!
I guess I find it incredibly rude that some people feel the need to impose
rules of behavior upon others because of their own pet peeves. You know
admit yourself it is a pet peeve, deal with it. If you don't want to read a
post with out a signature on... don't read it! If you feel that person
have no valid opinion or information, ignore them. Those are your rights.
But I for one, don't automatically assume someone has not valid opinion,
information, or question if they are searching of knowledge just because of
my own pet peeves. My pet peeve is people imposing rules upon others.
As you can see I'm signing my message so you think in has some weight. But,
keep in mind, I could sign any name or identity I wish.... so doesn't it
really carry any weight?
Gerry Lockhart
Wizard's Endeavors
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of Vince
Pitelka
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:20 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: not signing
I have a pet peeve, that I think is shared by lots of people online. I
think it is incredibly rude to send a post without signing it - with no name
at the bottom, even a first name. It makes the message so cold and
impersonal, and I always wonder at the motives of someone who would send a
note without signing it.
There is one person in particular on Clayart who does this regularly. I
have asked her about it, but she seems unwilling to acknowledge my questions
or give some reason. The reality is that there is no rational reason to not
sign a name at the bottom of a message. Clayart is a community - a
remarkably supportive, caring community. Most of us have become good
friends via Clayart. Sending a message without signing a name seems to
subvert that sense of comraderie. I wonder why anyone would do that?
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Office - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 x111, FAX 615/597-6803
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
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Susan Setley on fri 7 nov 03
In a message dated 11/7/03 5:27:11 PM, gerry@WIZARDSENDEAVORS.COM writes:
<< As you can see I'm signing my message so you think in has some weight.
But,
keep in mind, I could sign any name or identity I wish.... so doesn't it
really carry any weight? >>
Well said!
Signed...
Borbickle "Susan" Sloop :)
Snail Scott on fri 7 nov 03
At 02:05 PM 11/7/03 EST, you wrote:
>I have to say I am *curious* about how you chose "snail..."
I didn't. I've been 'Snail' since I was 5 or 6
years old; just a stupid childhood nickname that
I never got around to ditching. Doesn't mean a
dang thing!
My galleries like it because it's memorable, my
husband likes it because it's weird, and it
embarrasses my parents, so where's the downside?
;)
To me, it's just my name.
-Eleanor Roosevelt,
the artist formerly known as Snail
Snail Scott on fri 7 nov 03
At 07:42 AM 11/8/03 +0900, Lee wrote:
> Some of us have dyslexia. Others are named after shelled vermin. We
>all have our handicaps. ;^)
I've decided to no longer read any posts from
anyone whose name is not a noun. So, I can
talk to myself, and to Lee, and Mark, and Lili,
and Bill and John(?) and...the Artimator, (if
he comes back) and...Bob is a verb (oh, and a
noun, too - OK, he's in) and...um, well, Tony
is an adjective...should I let myself talk to
Tony? How 'bout it, Lee? Gotta have standards!
-Snail
(the artist formerly known as Eleanor Roosevelt)
Karin Hurt on fri 7 nov 03
I wonder if "signing" isn't just good old fashioned etiquette which seems to
have fallen by the wayside anyway. I was taught to begin a letter,
regardless who it is to, with: "Dear so and so"....it was the polite thing
to do and it irritates me when one of my daughters sends me a card and
simply writes "Mom", I think THAT is rude and have told her so , still, I
can't seem to break her of the habit. A long time ago I read that Albert
Schweitzer was a fanatic about dating his letters, I've adopted that as
thought it makes any difference. I don't take offense on Clayart because it
is true, we could use a different name, I'd take offense if it were a snail
mail letter. When I first started on the Internet I was Rayne Forest, how
lame is that?
In the overall picture, we all have bigger issues to gripe about, our war
mongering President for instance, and here in Lake Havasu City, the town is
in an uproar right because we have a Gray Pride Convention coming to town.
I'm much more concerned that Arizona seems to have an influx of White
Supremacists, but please, get me off the soap box.
Karin Hurt
Lake Havasu City, Arizona
http://www.laughingbearpottery.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Susan Setley
To:
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: not signing
> In a message dated 11/7/03 5:27:11 PM, gerry@WIZARDSENDEAVORS.COM writes:
>
> << As you can see I'm signing my message so you think in has some weight.
> But,
>
> keep in mind, I could sign any name or identity I wish.... so doesn't it
>
> really carry any weight? >>
>
> Well said!
>
> Signed...
>
> Borbickle "Susan" Sloop :)
>
>
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Susan Setley on fri 7 nov 03
In a message dated 11/7/03 7:18:57 PM, laffnbearclay@NPGCABLE.COM writes:
<< I wonder if "signing" isn't just good old fashioned etiquette which seems
to
have fallen by the wayside anyway. I was taught to begin a letter,
regardless who it is to, with: "Dear so and so"....it was the polite thing
to do and it irritates me when one of my daughters sends me a card and
simply writes "Mom", I think THAT is rude and have told her so , still, I
can't seem to break her of the habit. >>
I think etiquette has CHANGED. I don't think of this as "letter writing."
It's much more like conversation, where one person's thoughts and ideas spring
from one person's posts and trigger a response in another.
In conversation, I don't end everything I say with "Love, Susan."
When I write formal letters I say "Dear Griswehelda" or whatever, but in
informal email to my daughter I'm much more likely to say "Hey Grissy -- guess
what I just heard? Well I have to tell you the background..." -- MUCH more
informal.
Susan (there I remembered not that I think anyone could forget now!)
wayneinkeywest on fri 7 nov 03
And some are named after slowly deliberate, delicious mollusks.
Best Regards,
Wayne Seidl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Snail Scott"
>
> > (I need to save that for the
> > rotten spellers, and lovers of lumpy brown pots!)
>
> Some of us have dyslexia. Others are named after shelled vermin.
We
> all have our handicaps. ;^)
Vince Pitelka on fri 7 nov 03
> Ashpots, Go to the clayart web page and fix your email address. You
> need to add your name so it shows up in your email.
> Quit whining and stop picking on Susan.
Lee -
That was rather rude. Mark does sign his messages. I don't want to see
someone's name in the "from" box, I want to see it at the bottom of the
message where it belongs.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Office - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 x111, FAX 615/597-6803
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
Clay Mudman on sat 8 nov 03
----- Original Message -----
From: "Snail Scott"
> I've decided to no longer read any posts from
> anyone whose name is not a noun.
As long as you read posts from dyslexics with bad spelling. ;^)
Clay Mudman, a.k.a. Clyde Widdershins, Captain Coyote, etc.
http://Mashiko.org
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Lee Love on sat 8 nov 03
----- Original Message -----
From: "wayneinkeywest"
> And some are named after slowly deliberate, delicious mollusks.
I was making a point: Shelled vermit is to lumpy brown pots as is Snail
is to functional pottery. ;^)
My yard is full of snails in the summer time (I am surrounded by rice
paddies) and I rather think they are cute.
--
Clay Mudman Lee@Mashiko.org
Lee Love on sat 8 nov 03
----- Original Message -----
From:
> If I was the Moderator , unsigned posts would be DELETED, then we wouldnt
be
> having this discussion.
Ashpots, Go to the clayart web page and fix your email address. You
need to add your name so it shows up in your email.
Quit whining and stop picking on Susan.
Steve Slatin on sat 8 nov 03
Vince --
I'm not looking for a battle here. I think you're being somewhat
inflexible on the issue of self-identification, though. Would it make a
significant difference if I wrote this message in the traditional format
of signature at the bottom, or if I had a first line that read:
Hi Vince! Steve Slatin, replying here!
And no signature at the bottom? I think it's just as good, myself.
When I started reading the list, I recognized many regulars by their
header address (i.e., pdp1, wayneinkeywest) vs. their signature. Is
there such a thing as an abuse of headers? Yes! Some people change
their return address every week, and you can't decide what to read (or
not) by checking the headers. But I've never seen this on ClayArt.
I don't think a signature adds much. I usually sign my messages, but
it's from force of habit, not from any need. Sometimes I sign a whole
name, sometimes not. And the folks who don't sign don't confuse my
understanding nearly as much as the folks who intersperse quotations
from prior messages with their responses without marking which is which.
By comparison with the other things going on, whichever preference you
have, you'll probably agree that having to look at the occasional header
to see who's "talking" isn't that big a deal.
Best wishes -- Steve Slatin
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Vince
Pitelka
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 7:32 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: not signing
> << As you can see I'm signing my message so you think in has some
weight.
> But, keep in mind, I could sign any name or identity I wish.... so
doesn't
it
> really carry any weight? >>
Sorry, but your whole theory above doesn't carry any weight at all. I
don't
care whether someone uses their real name or not, as long as they are
consistent, so that we can get to know them by name over time. That is
the
key issue here. By using a name, they become regularly participating
members of the community. There are lots of discussion lists online
where
people use nicknames, and still manage to form a tightly united online
community.
I am surprised that anyone would support the notion of not signing a
Clayart
message. I am not trying to make any rules, and I have been very clear
about that. This is just my own opinion. But I have yet to see one
defense
of "not signing" that makes any sense at all. There simply is no reason
at
all not to sign one's messages, and plenty of reason to sign. Whether
or
not the sender's name appears in the header is completely irrelevant.
The
sender's name should be at the bottom of the message. I see it as a
question of reasonable courtesy and appropriate email protocol. And it
makes such good sense.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Office - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 x111, FAX 615/597-6803
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Snail Scott"
> (I need to save that for the
> rotten spellers, and lovers of lumpy brown pots!)
Some of us have dyslexia. Others are named after shelled vermin. We
all have our handicaps. ;^)
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