Earl Brunner on thu 30 oct 03
I use as little water as possible, just dipping a hand in water and
coating the clay surface with the wet hand, not sponged on water. I
also don't let water stand in the pot. I use a sponge in my outside
hand, and the tip of the sponge covers the tip of my fingers and seems
to reduce friction as the pores of the sponge take on some clay- clay on
clay seems to slide better. I don't know how long it takes you to throw
a pot, but that is a factor as well. If you can pull a cylinder in
three or four pulls, and then spend the rest of the time shaping, then
you shouldn't need to have water on the surface long. You should be
able to do shaping with much less water than pulling. Use the edge of
ribs and you need less water.
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Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:05 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: need training tips for learning to throw drier
I've gotten into the bad habit of using too much water when I throw and
I'm
trying to get out of it, particularly because this new clay that I am
using
(Blackjack Pepperjack) seems to get soggy really fast.
I'm getting really frustrated - I've tried trying to just use my
fingertips
and not have so much contact with the clay, I've tried using slurry
instead
of water, etc. but my hands just snag on the clay! I just got through
looking in the archives and saw one other thing to try - someone had
said to
put vinegar in your throwing water, I'll head back out to the studio and
try
that, but does anyone have any other tips for me to try?
thanks so much,
Connie
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Navasota, TX 713-256-5907
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Connie Woodward on thu 30 oct 03
I've gotten into the bad habit of using too much water when I throw and I'm
trying to get out of it, particularly because this new clay that I am using
(Blackjack Pepperjack) seems to get soggy really fast.
I'm getting really frustrated - I've tried trying to just use my fingertips
and not have so much contact with the clay, I've tried using slurry instead
of water, etc. but my hands just snag on the clay! I just got through
looking in the archives and saw one other thing to try - someone had said to
put vinegar in your throwing water, I'll head back out to the studio and try
that, but does anyone have any other tips for me to try?
thanks so much,
Connie
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Connie Woodward Karattopp Pottery www.karattopp.com
Navasota, TX 713-256-5907
wayneinkeywest on thu 30 oct 03
Is it too obvious to suggest letting the clay dry out more before throwing
with it? Then the water used is less of an issue.
Also, ribbing off the clay while throwing (inside and out) seems to help.
Wayne Seidl
> I've gotten into the bad habit of using too much water when I throw and
I'm
> trying to get out of it, particularly because this new clay that I am
using
> (Blackjack Pepperjack) seems to get soggy really fast.
>
> I'm getting really frustrated - I've tried trying to just use my
fingertips
> and not have so much contact with the clay, I've tried using slurry
instead
> of water, etc. but my hands just snag on the clay! I just got through
> looking in the archives and saw one other thing to try - someone had said
to
> put vinegar in your throwing water, I'll head back out to the studio and
try
> that, but does anyone have any other tips for me to try?
>
> thanks so much,
>
> Connie
>
>
>
> ======================================================================
> Connie Woodward Karattopp Pottery www.karattopp.com
> Navasota, TX 713-256-5907
>
>
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Pat Southwood on thu 30 oct 03
Hi list,
I read somewhere that if you have sugar dissolved in your water it
helps........?
Dunno...
pat@southwood4.fsnet.co.uk
www.so-art.co.uk
Jennifer Boyer on fri 31 oct 03
Try throwing with a sponge. I've known people who threw with sponges in
each hand. When you wet the sponge make sure you wring it out before
using it. Start with one in the inside hand and see if it helps. You
need a thin one, made for potters. I use those round ones all the
ceramic supply catalogues have..
Jennifer
On Thursday, October 30, 2003, at 02:04 PM, Connie Woodward wrote:
> I've gotten into the bad habit of using too much water when I throw
> and I'm
> trying to get out of it, particularly because this new clay that I am
> using
> (Blackjack Pepperjack) seems to get soggy really fast.
>
> I'm getting really frustrated - I've tried trying to just use my
> fingertips
> and not have so much contact with the clay, I've tried using slurry
> instead
> of water, etc. but my hands just snag on the clay! I just got through
> looking in the archives and saw one other thing to try - someone had
> said to
> put vinegar in your throwing water, I'll head back out to the studio
> and try
> that, but does anyone have any other tips for me to try?
>
> thanks so much,
>
> Connie
>
>
>
> ======================================================================
> Connie Woodward Karattopp Pottery www.karattopp.com
> Navasota, TX 713-256-5907
>
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Darnie Sizemore on fri 31 oct 03
Connie,
Something that worked for me was to just wet my hands and not the whole pot. If the pot began to drag, I slowly released pressure, removed my hands and re-wet them. Eventually this got a bit tedious so I then used a sponge only in my right hand to make the out side wet. It is really an issue of trail and error.
Good luck,
Darnie
Connie Woodward wrote:
I've gotten into the bad habit of using too much water when I throw and I'm
trying to get out of it, particularly because this new clay that I am using
(Blackjack Pepperjack) seems to get soggy really fast.
I'm getting really frustrated - I've tried trying to just use my fingertips
and not have so much contact with the clay, I've tried using slurry instead
of water, etc. but my hands just snag on the clay! I just got through
looking in the archives and saw one other thing to try - someone had said to
put vinegar in your throwing water, I'll head back out to the studio and try
that, but does anyone have any other tips for me to try?
thanks so much,
Connie
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Connie Woodward Karattopp Pottery www.karattopp.com
Navasota, TX 713-256-5907
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John Jensen on fri 31 oct 03
Connie;
Maybe it would be a help to try throwing completely dry for a while,
with no slurry or water. Maybe an afternoon of however many pots you
can throw in three or four hours. Then if you add just a bit of slurry
you can reach whatever compromise you feel comfortable with.
I think one of the biggest problem areas with "snagging" may be
related to uneven distribution of wetness on the surface of the clay; so
that when you get past a wet area and hit a dry area, your fingers may
grab suddenly and make a big mistake. Practicing with totally dry clay
you could avoid that stumbling block at least.
John Jensen, Mudbug Pottery
mudbug@toadhouse.com , http://www.toadhouse.com
Cindy Gatto on sat 1 nov 03
Hi Connie,
You could try throwing with a sponge and use slurry as well. If you throw
with slurry which is a mixture of clay and water the clay can only absorb the
water percentage when you throw with just water the clay is absorbing 100% of the
liquid you are adding besides, slurry is a much better lubricant than water.
Whatever you do remember you have to give it some time. Don't expect anything
to work or feel comfortable the first couple of times you do it.
Cindy Gatto
The Mudpit
www.mudpitnyc.com
Francine Epstein on sat 1 nov 03
I took a workshop at Anderson Ranch where they have no splashpans on the
wheels. This taught me to throw drier in a about 15 minutes. I usually
throw with porcelain which can become sticky and lots of water prevents
this but of course you have to throw quickly or the pot fails. Also Doug
Casebeer at Anderson Ranch suggested throwing with slurry which lubricates
but doesn't absorb into the clay as fast. I learned too to scape my
fingers on the edge of my throwing bucket to remove water each time I
dipped my hands into the bucket. Good Luck. Fran
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