Larry Kruzan on fri 11 jul 03
Hi Zsuzsa,
I did a lot of comparing before I bought my ST-200 and really feel that I
got a great deal. At school we have the usual Brent and a couple Soldner
wheels. I use both all I can but look forward to coming home and working on
my ST-200. It is so quiet and powerful compared to the very tired wheels at
school. Also I did not pay shipping either as Bailey builds it into the
price of the wheel (there is no free lunch, after all) but even then I felt
that the price was more than fair. I did opt for the leg extensions because
I throw from a power wheelchair, I need the wheel a little higher. The
built-in pan, drain and cleanout are great bonuses that the other
manufacturers should consider, I think it is a wheel made to be ahead of
it's time. All the others have not changed much in 30 years - look at the
old ads for them - they just cost more today. Bailey has worked to put out
a superior design at a superior price and I for one think they have
succeeded.
Larry Kruzan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rikki Gill"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: Bailey ST-50R vs. ST-200 or PRO-XL
> Hi Zsuzsa,
> I just bought a new Bailey PRO XL a few months ago. I just love it. I
want
> to work standing up, and you might too, one day. The Bailey is designed
so
> you can add parts, such as leg extenders if desired. I think it is pretty
> inexpensive as compared to the Shimpo, etc, and really a dream to use.
> Incredibly quiet, very strong and smooth. Great gradual foot pedal. I
> feel it would stand up well over time.
>
> Bailey has always had a great design sense, and I wish I had bought a
Bailey
> slab roller years ago when I bought my still in use Brent.
>
> Bailey is also are very customer friendly, and because they don't use
> distributors can afford
> to be inexpensive. They didn't charge me for shipping.
>
> I have been throwing clay for about 30 years, have used
> many makes, but I like this one the best. Hope this helps,
>
> Rikki in Berkeley
>
> Usual disclaimers apply.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "psci_kw"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 11:58 AM
> Subject: Re: Bailey ST-50R vs. ST-200 or PRO-XL
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Zsuzsa Koltay"
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:12 AM
> > Subject: Bailey ST-50R vs. ST-200 or PRO-XL
> >
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I'm new to the list and just a baby when it comes to pottery (although
> > > hoping to grow up fast...)
> > >
> > > I have looked at the Clayart archive and read what I found about the
> > Bailey
> > > wheels. I have one remaining question - which model should I buy for
> > > serious hobby (or later possibly part-time business) use. I doubt
that
> > > I'll ever want to throw pieces over 50 lbs but I want to make sure
that
> > > whatever I buy does not slow down or labor too much under the drag I
> > > create. This is definitely happening at lower speeds with the
borrowed
> > > Brent Model A that I'm using right now. So if you have any experience
> > with
> > > an ST-50r, please let me know whether you ever ran into its limits of
> > power
> > > and torque.
> > >
> > > This is how the prices compare. They all include shipping.
> > > ST-50r ($630) centers 50lbs
> > > ST-200 ($810) and PRO-XL ($865) center 100lbs. The PRO-XL can
> accommodate
> > > extra option counters (really neat but pretty pricey) and a reference
> > > tool. How useful is a reference tool?
> > >
> > > I appreciate any advice you might have.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Zsuzsa
> > >
> > >
> >
>
____________________________________________________________________________
> > __
> > > Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
> > >
> > > You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
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> > >
> > > Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
> > melpots@pclink.com.
> > >
> > Zsuzsa:
> > Are you sure you want a Bailey? I'm not trying to debate the merits of
> one
> > brand or type wheel as opposed to any other (and have no commercial
> interest
> > in any of them) but depending on where you live, you might be able to do
> > more (weight) with less ($).
> > I just checked one source that I use, and found a Shimpo RX10Super for
> $899.
> > You might want to try online for sources, either with Google or
AltaVista,
> > or even a shopping 'bot like ask simon (http://www.ask.com) and see what
> > pricing is available. Be careful to consider shipping costs too.
> > I think you can do better.
> >
> > Wayne in Key West
> >
> >
>
____________________________________________________________________________
> __
> > Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
> >
> > You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
> > settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
> >
> > Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
> melpots@pclink.com.
> >
> >
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________
__
> Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
> You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
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>
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melpots@pclink.com.
>
Zsuzsa Koltay on fri 11 jul 03
Hi all,
I'm new to the list and just a baby when it comes to pottery (although
hoping to grow up fast...)
I have looked at the Clayart archive and read what I found about the Bailey
wheels. I have one remaining question - which model should I buy for
serious hobby (or later possibly part-time business) use. I doubt that
I'll ever want to throw pieces over 50 lbs but I want to make sure that
whatever I buy does not slow down or labor too much under the drag I
create. This is definitely happening at lower speeds with the borrowed
Brent Model A that I'm using right now. So if you have any experience with
an ST-50r, please let me know whether you ever ran into its limits of power
and torque.
This is how the prices compare. They all include shipping.
ST-50r ($630) centers 50lbs
ST-200 ($810) and PRO-XL ($865) center 100lbs. The PRO-XL can accommodate
extra option counters (really neat but pretty pricey) and a reference
tool. How useful is a reference tool?
I appreciate any advice you might have.
Thanks,
Zsuzsa
Daniel Dermer on fri 11 jul 03
Dear Zsuzsa-
I bought the ST-200 last September and like it a lot.
I chose the ST-200 over the ST-50 even though I've
never thrown anything bigger than 25lbs. I like
having all that torque and power over the entire wheel
speed range -- no slow-down even if I'm pressing
really hard centering larger pieces, and a wide foot
pedal range of slower speeds for shaping, etc. Also,
I figure that the resale value of the wheel (should I
ever sell it) will be greater, not to mention
attracting a larger number of potential buyers.
Good things about the ST-200:
- good power
- very quiet
- nice foot pedal
- easy clean up with built-in drain and trims door
- good price and free shipping! (don't know if that's
still offered)
Not so good things:
- some assembly required (took 1-2 hours, I think due
to my inexperience, but not difficult overall)
- didn't like Bailey's baltic birch bats until I got a
bat grabber -- now no more bat chattering, and I think
Bailey includes one with new wheels
-Dan
p.s. fun new ash-glazed pots from recent firings...
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/ddermer
psci_kw on fri 11 jul 03
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zsuzsa Koltay"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:12 AM
Subject: Bailey ST-50R vs. ST-200 or PRO-XL
> Hi all,
>
> I'm new to the list and just a baby when it comes to pottery (although
> hoping to grow up fast...)
>
> I have looked at the Clayart archive and read what I found about the
Bailey
> wheels. I have one remaining question - which model should I buy for
> serious hobby (or later possibly part-time business) use. I doubt that
> I'll ever want to throw pieces over 50 lbs but I want to make sure that
> whatever I buy does not slow down or labor too much under the drag I
> create. This is definitely happening at lower speeds with the borrowed
> Brent Model A that I'm using right now. So if you have any experience
with
> an ST-50r, please let me know whether you ever ran into its limits of
power
> and torque.
>
> This is how the prices compare. They all include shipping.
> ST-50r ($630) centers 50lbs
> ST-200 ($810) and PRO-XL ($865) center 100lbs. The PRO-XL can accommodate
> extra option counters (really neat but pretty pricey) and a reference
> tool. How useful is a reference tool?
>
> I appreciate any advice you might have.
> Thanks,
> Zsuzsa
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________
__
> Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
> You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
> settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
>
> Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
melpots@pclink.com.
>
Zsuzsa:
Are you sure you want a Bailey? I'm not trying to debate the merits of one
brand or type wheel as opposed to any other (and have no commercial interest
in any of them) but depending on where you live, you might be able to do
more (weight) with less ($).
I just checked one source that I use, and found a Shimpo RX10Super for $899.
You might want to try online for sources, either with Google or AltaVista,
or even a shopping 'bot like ask simon (http://www.ask.com) and see what
pricing is available. Be careful to consider shipping costs too.
I think you can do better.
Wayne in Key West
Rikki Gill on fri 11 jul 03
Hi Zsuzsa,
I just bought a new Bailey PRO XL a few months ago. I just love it. I want
to work standing up, and you might too, one day. The Bailey is designed so
you can add parts, such as leg extenders if desired. I think it is pretty
inexpensive as compared to the Shimpo, etc, and really a dream to use.
Incredibly quiet, very strong and smooth. Great gradual foot pedal. I
feel it would stand up well over time.
Bailey has always had a great design sense, and I wish I had bought a Bailey
slab roller years ago when I bought my still in use Brent.
Bailey is also are very customer friendly, and because they don't use
distributors can afford
to be inexpensive. They didn't charge me for shipping.
I have been throwing clay for about 30 years, have used
many makes, but I like this one the best. Hope this helps,
Rikki in Berkeley
Usual disclaimers apply.
----- Original Message -----
From: "psci_kw"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: Bailey ST-50R vs. ST-200 or PRO-XL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Zsuzsa Koltay"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:12 AM
> Subject: Bailey ST-50R vs. ST-200 or PRO-XL
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm new to the list and just a baby when it comes to pottery (although
> > hoping to grow up fast...)
> >
> > I have looked at the Clayart archive and read what I found about the
> Bailey
> > wheels. I have one remaining question - which model should I buy for
> > serious hobby (or later possibly part-time business) use. I doubt that
> > I'll ever want to throw pieces over 50 lbs but I want to make sure that
> > whatever I buy does not slow down or labor too much under the drag I
> > create. This is definitely happening at lower speeds with the borrowed
> > Brent Model A that I'm using right now. So if you have any experience
> with
> > an ST-50r, please let me know whether you ever ran into its limits of
> power
> > and torque.
> >
> > This is how the prices compare. They all include shipping.
> > ST-50r ($630) centers 50lbs
> > ST-200 ($810) and PRO-XL ($865) center 100lbs. The PRO-XL can
accommodate
> > extra option counters (really neat but pretty pricey) and a reference
> > tool. How useful is a reference tool?
> >
> > I appreciate any advice you might have.
> > Thanks,
> > Zsuzsa
> >
> >
>
____________________________________________________________________________
> __
> > Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
> >
> > You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
> > settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
> >
> > Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
> melpots@pclink.com.
> >
> Zsuzsa:
> Are you sure you want a Bailey? I'm not trying to debate the merits of
one
> brand or type wheel as opposed to any other (and have no commercial
interest
> in any of them) but depending on where you live, you might be able to do
> more (weight) with less ($).
> I just checked one source that I use, and found a Shimpo RX10Super for
$899.
> You might want to try online for sources, either with Google or AltaVista,
> or even a shopping 'bot like ask simon (http://www.ask.com) and see what
> pricing is available. Be careful to consider shipping costs too.
> I think you can do better.
>
> Wayne in Key West
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________
__
> Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
> You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
> settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
>
> Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
melpots@pclink.com.
>
>
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