stacey ballard on sat 24 may 03
Hi all,
I need a bit of advice...Some of the potters here in South Lake Tahoe, CA. are starting a ceramics co-op. Here's my problem...who do we give keys to? We have 5 board of directors, 10 founders (5 are on the board) about, 10 partners (that pay a much smaller membership fee than the founders) and about 15 more people that will hopefully come in once the place is up and running. The founding members almost all work during the day, so we wouldn't be able to be there to keep it open during "normal" business hours. How do other co-op's/guilds handle it? We are going to have a lot of equipment in the studio and we don't want things being stolen. We wont know all these new people that want to have a place to work, but the more members we have, the lower the costs will be for everyone. Does anyone have any ideas?
Thanks in advance,
Stacey Ballard
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Judith S. Labovitz on sun 25 may 03
Hi Stacey....chiming in here from the Greater Lansing Potters' Guild in Mid
Michigan....all members and Visiting Potters have keys to the guild. No
one else. period.
Some current members are original founding members, All board
members ARE guild members elected by the membership.Our students do not
have keys to the guild; a member or VP MUST be there at all times when
students use the facility.
good luck
Judy in foggy and chilly mid Michigan....we have YET to have spring
lasting more than a few days at a time...(???)
At 06:34 PM 5/24/03 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>I need a bit of advice...Some of the potters here in South Lake Tahoe, CA.
>are starting a ceramics co-op. Here's my problem...who do we give keys to?
>We have 5 board of directors, 10 founders (5 are on the board) about, 10
>partners (that pay a much smaller membership fee than the founders) and
>about 15 more people that will hopefully come in once the place is up and
>running. The founding members almost all work during the day, so we
>wouldn't be able to be there to keep it open during "normal" business
>hours. How do other co-op's/guilds handle it? We are going to have a lot
>of equipment in the studio and we don't want things being stolen. We wont
>know all these new people that want to have a place to work, but the more
>members we have, the lower the costs will be for everyone. Does anyone
>have any ideas?
>Thanks in advance,
>Stacey Ballard
>www.basicelements.biz
>
>
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L. P. Skeen on sun 25 may 03
Stacey,
The word co-op implies equal ownership, so all members should have a key.
If this is going to be a situation where someone in the coop is teaching
classes and students are going to need access for practice, that teacher
needs to plan open studio time when he can be present to supervise; the
students don't get keys.
For others with "less than equal" membership, (the folks who want to have a
place to work and whose membership is going to lower costs for everyone), be
very careful who you allow in. Seriously. These are, as you pointed out,
folks you don't know. Get references and check them out. Interview them as
if you were hiring for a paid position. If you don't have a good feeling
about a person, JUST SAY NO, even though it means that (at the moment) you
won't have that person's money. Trust me when I say that saying NO in the
first place is easier than getting someone out later on, when the person has
stolen stuff you'll never see again, pissed off everybody in the place, and
offended visitors.
Good luck! :)
L
> Hi all,
> I need a bit of advice...Some of the potters here in South Lake Tahoe, CA.
are starting a ceramics co-op. Here's my problem...who do we give keys to?
stacey ballard on sun 25 may 03
Hi Judith,
Thanks for the imput, What is the difference between a co-op and a guild? To tell the truth I didn't know there was one?
lpotz@VOYAGER.NET> wrote:
Hi Stacey....chiming in here from the Greater Lansing Potters' Guild in Mid
Michigan....all members and Visiting Potters have keys to the guild. No
one else. period.
Some current members are original founding members, All board
members ARE guild members elected by the membership.Our students do not
have keys to the guild; a member or VP MUST be there at all times when
students use the facility.
good luck
Judy in foggy and chilly mid Michigan....we have YET to have spring
lasting more than a few days at a time...(???)
At 06:34 PM 5/24/03 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>I need a bit of advice...Some of the potters here in South Lake Tahoe, CA.
>are starting a ceramics co-op. Here's my problem...who do we give keys to?
>We have 5 board of directors, 10 founders (5 are on the board) about, 10
>partners (that pay a much smaller membership fee than the founders) and
>about 15 more people that will hopefully come in once the place is up and
>running. The founding members almost all work during the day, so we
>wouldn't be able to be there to keep it open during "normal" business
>hours. How do other co-op's/guilds handle it? We are going to have a lot
>of equipment in the studio and we don't want things being stolen. We wont
>know all these new people that want to have a place to work, but the more
>members we have, the lower the costs will be for everyone. Does anyone
>have any ideas?
>Thanks in advance,
>Stacey Ballard
>www.basicelements.biz
>
>
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Hank Murrow on sun 25 may 03
>> Stacey wrote;
>> I need a bit of advice...Some of the potters here in South Lake
>> Tahoe, CA.
>> are starting a ceramics co-op. Here's my problem...who do we give
>> keys to?
>> We have 5 board of directors, 10 founders (5 are on the board) about,
>> 10
>> partners (that pay a much smaller membership fee than the founders)
>> and
>> about 15 more people that will hopefully come in once the place is up
>> and
>> running. The founding members almost all work during the day, so we
>> wouldn't be able to be there to keep it open during "normal" business
>> hours. How do other co-op's/guilds handle it? We are going to have a
>> lot
>> of equipment in the studio and we don't want things being stolen. We
>> wont
>> know all these new people that want to have a place to work, but the
>> more
>> members we have, the lower the costs will be for everyone. Does anyone
>> have any ideas?
>>
Hi Stacey;
Back in 1962, Jane Heald and I were working at the Rustic Canyon Arts
center in Santa Monica, CA. It was apparent to us that the folks coming
to classes were severely limited by having access to the facility only
during class time. We located a ghetto building in Venice, CA for
$200/month for 5000 sq.ft. and having two 20 foot Alpine gas
kilns......we were lucky. We opened the place to anyone who wanted to
come for $12.50 a month and they got a key to the front door. We had to
kick one 'artist' out who kept abusing pot (we worried about being shut
down) and one guy who wanted to keep his loaded pistol in his locker.
Little theft, had much more trouble keeping the bathroom clean.
But those were the sixties.........and I moved on to grad school.
Cheers, Hank in Eugene
Judith S. Labovitz on sun 25 may 03
Hi stacey
beats me! we may be both....we call ourselves a cooperative potters'
guild......
whatever the technical definitions may be... this is how we define
ourselves...for 34+years!
judy (ehy...finally...a gorgeous day!!) in mid Michigan
At 08:59 AM 5/25/03 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Judith,
> Thanks for the imput, What is the difference between a co-op and a
> guild? To tell the truth I didn't know there was one?
>
>lpotz@VOYAGER.NET> wrote:
>Hi Stacey....chiming in here from the Greater Lansing Potters' Guild in Mid
>Michigan....all members and Visiting Potters have keys to the guild. No
>one else. period.
>
>Some current members are original founding members, All board
>members ARE guild members elected by the membership.Our students do not
>have keys to the guild; a member or VP MUST be there at all times when
>students use the facility.
>
>good luck
>
>Judy in foggy and chilly mid Michigan....we have YET to have spring
>lasting more than a few days at a time...(???)
>
>
>At 06:34 PM 5/24/03 -0700, you wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >I need a bit of advice...Some of the potters here in South Lake Tahoe, CA.
> >are starting a ceramics co-op. Here's my problem...who do we give keys to?
> >We have 5 board of directors, 10 founders (5 are on the board) about, 10
> >partners (that pay a much smaller membership fee than the founders) and
> >about 15 more people that will hopefully come in once the place is up and
> >running. The founding members almost all work during the day, so we
> >wouldn't be able to be there to keep it open during "normal" business
> >hours. How do other co-op's/guilds handle it? We are going to have a lot
> >of equipment in the studio and we don't want things being stolen. We wont
> >know all these new people that want to have a place to work, but the more
> >members we have, the lower the costs will be for everyone. Does anyone
> >have any ideas?
> >Thanks in advance,
> >Stacey Ballard
> >www.basicelements.biz
> >
> >
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stacey ballard on sun 25 may 03
Thanks Hank,
I know it's different times....I wish we could have an open door policy. But a couple of people that are loaning us their kilns are worried. We are in a pretty small town, so I really don't think there would be a problem, but it only takes one shadey person to clean us out. I don't know...I hate to be negative......I tend to trust people until they prove otherwise. But when it's other peoples money, it's harder. Anyways, thanks for the feed back...I keep everyone updated on how we're doing.
Thanks again,
Stacey Ballard
www.basicelements.biz
Hank Murrow wrote:
>> Stacey wrote;
>> I need a bit of advice...Some of the potters here in South Lake
>> Tahoe, CA.
>> are starting a ceramics co-op. Here's my problem...who do we give
>> keys to?
>> We have 5 board of directors, 10 founders (5 are on the board) about,
>> 10
>> partners (that pay a much smaller membership fee than the founders)
>> and
>> about 15 more people that will hopefully come in once the place is up
>> and
>> running. The founding members almost all work during the day, so we
>> wouldn't be able to be there to keep it open during "normal" business
>> hours. How do other co-op's/guilds handle it? We are going to have a
>> lot
>> of equipment in the studio and we don't want things being stolen. We
>> wont
>> know all these new people that want to have a place to work, but the
>> more
>> members we have, the lower the costs will be for everyone. Does anyone
>> have any ideas?
>>
Hi Stacey;
Back in 1962, Jane Heald and I were working at the Rustic Canyon Arts
center in Santa Monica, CA. It was apparent to us that the folks coming
to classes were severely limited by having access to the facility only
during class time. We located a ghetto building in Venice, CA for
$200/month for 5000 sq.ft. and having two 20 foot Alpine gas
kilns......we were lucky. We opened the place to anyone who wanted to
come for $12.50 a month and they got a key to the front door. We had to
kick one 'artist' out who kept abusing pot (we worried about being shut
down) and one guy who wanted to keep his loaded pistol in his locker.
Little theft, had much more trouble keeping the bathroom clean.
But those were the sixties.........and I moved on to grad school.
Cheers, Hank in Eugene
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Bonita Cohn on mon 26 may 03
At Ruby's Clay Studio in San Francisco we have a 6 month waiting period
before a new person gets a key. They apply for a key, get voted in (they
leave the room) at the monthly member town meeting. 6 months is time enough
for compatibility issues as well as group consciousness on the part of the
user to become evident. All space holders have keys. The last person with a
key to leave locks up for the night, giving students and open studio users a
15 minute warning to clean up. Sometimes people come in after closing, and
then its open for work till they leave. The front door is locked, so workers
are safe inside. We have had some burglaries , entry was a window pried
open, not a key user, though we changed the locks after the second one. got
a better safe.
There is a manger 9-1pm daily. And classes only 2 nights a week, so its open
studio most of the time. There are 30 spaces and 75 part-time locker
holders. Thank god(dess) they all don't show up at once.
Bonita Cohn
www.bonitacohn.com
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Bob Nicholson on mon 26 may 03
>Thanks Hank,
>I know it's different times....I wish we could have an open door
>policy. But a couple of people that are loaning us their kilns are
>worried. We are in a pretty small town, so I really don't think
>there would be a problem, but it only takes one shadey person to
>clean us out. I don't know...I hate to be negative......I tend to
>trust people until they prove otherwise. But when it's other peoples
>money, it's harder. Anyways, thanks for the feed back...I keep
>everyone updated on how we're doing.
>Thanks again,
>Stacey Ballard
>www.basicelements.biz
Stacey, I think you're right to be concerned about security up-front.
Better than
closing the barn door after the horse is out.
Since you will have a lot of expensive equipment, I'm going to
suggest a couple of
things for you to look into. I have no idea how expensive these
things are, but
it might save you a lot of money in the long run (or at least allow
you to recover
your equipment if you are ripped off).
1) A security camera. This could be a pretty cheap camera, which would record
everyone entering and leaving.
2) Card-key access. Card-key locks record who enters. They also allow you
the option of disabling the access when someone leaves the
group. And the
key can't be duplaicated (at least not easily).
Maybe you could talk to an alarm and security firm in your area to find other
low-cost ways to deter theft.
- Bob
L. P. Skeen on mon 26 may 03
> 1) A security camera. This could be a pretty cheap camera, which would
record
> everyone entering and leaving.
>
> 2) Card-key access. Card-key locks record who enters. They also allow
you
> the option of disabling the access when someone leaves the
> group. And the key can't be duplaicated (at least not easily).
ADT can handle both these things for you. I have ADT system in my
studio/gallery; it does not have cameras but does have motion detectors, and
each person with access to the place can have his/her own security code so
that if something goes missing, you can call ADT and they'll tell you who
was the last person to disarm the system. Basic service is like $35/month
and installation was about $250 2 years ago.
L
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