Luba and Erik on wed 26 feb 03
The nice people at Pinckneyville Community Center in Gwinnett County
(Atlanta suburbs), asked us for help finding someone for this position...
We are seeking an experienced administrative/pottery assistant to assist in
community center operations and manage our pottery studio.
The applicant must possess a strong knowledge of firing, glaze mixing and
glaze adjustment skills; and be responsible for the firing, upkeep and
maintenance of both electric/gas kilns and equipment. Position also
requires office and customer service skills, computer literacy, knowledge of
general arts programs and development, and the ability to lift 50 lbs.
Ceramics degree preferred. Position is part time, 29 hours per week, and
pays $10.00 per/hr with vacation and sick leave.
To apply, please call the Pinckneyville Community Center, (770) 417-2215.
Erik Haagensen
MudFire Pottery Center
Open Studio * Gallery * Workshops
1441 Dresden Drive, Suite 250
Atlanta, GA 30319
404-969-3260
www.mudfire.com
John Jensen on thu 27 feb 03
The world being what it is I guess it's all about what you can expect.
But so sad that anyone would expect so much and offer only $10 an hour.
Nice people.
John Jensen, Mudbug Pottery
mudbug@toadhouse.com , http://www.toadhouse.com
The nice people at Pinckneyville Community Center in Gwinnett County
(Atlanta suburbs), asked us for help finding someone for this
position...
We are seeking an experienced administrative/pottery assistant to assist
in
community center operations and manage our pottery studio.
The applicant must possess a strong knowledge of firing, glaze mixing
and
glaze adjustment skills; and be responsible for the firing, upkeep and
maintenance of both electric/gas kilns and equipment. Position also
requires office and customer service skills, computer literacy,
knowledge of
general arts programs and development, and the ability to lift 50 lbs.
Ceramics degree preferred. Position is part time, 29 hours per week,
and
pays $10.00 per/hr with vacation and sick leave.
To apply, please call the Pinckneyville Community Center, (770)
417-2215.
Erik Haagensen
MudFire Pottery Center
Open Studio * Gallery * Workshops
1441 Dresden Drive, Suite 250
Atlanta, GA 30319
404-969-3260
www.mudfire.com
Ned Ludd on fri 28 feb 03
Hi John
Couldn't agree more. Still, it seems to me that the pay for this
position is about in line with what a skilled potter in America would
earn at the outset of a job working for another potter in the
latter's studio. Actually, better, as the potter's assistant, if
working on a part time basis, gets no vacation time and no sick pay.
There are exceptions such as for fast throwers earning piecework at
factories like Salmon Falls which according to its ads in CM offers
over $20k p.a. plus benefits, depending on output.
The hard fact is, $15k a year for 29 hours a week, which non potters
with further education might view as inadequate, is considered ok in
our field.
Just my impression... and yes, I've been there and done that
best,
Ned
John Rodgers wrote:
>That is pretty poor pay for that kind of education, skill, experience,
>and physical condition!!! That is $290/week, $1256.66/Mo or
>$15080/year. Would be tough to live on. If health, dental, and glasses
>insurance was included the position MIGHT begin to have some merit, but
>just barely. I note the hours make it just shy of full time employment,
>which makes it possible to avoid all those extras that most full time
>employees are entitled to under the law.
>
>John Rodgers
>Birmingham, AL
>
>Luba and Erik wrote:
>
>>The nice people at Pinckneyville Community Center in Gwinnett County
>>(Atlanta suburbs), asked us for help finding someone for this position...
>>
>>We are seeking an experienced administrative/pottery assistant to assist in
>>community center operations and manage our pottery studio.
>>
>>The applicant must possess a strong knowledge of firing, glaze mixing and
>>glaze adjustment skills; and be responsible for the firing, upkeep and
>>maintenance of both electric/gas kilns and equipment. Position also
>>requires office and customer service skills, computer literacy, knowledge of
>>general arts programs and development, and the ability to lift 50 lbs.
>>Ceramics degree preferred. Position is part time, 29 hours per week, and
>>pays $10.00 per/hr with vacation and sick leave.
>>
>>To apply, please call the Pinckneyville Community Center, (770) 417-2215.
>>
>>Erik Haagensen
>>MudFire Pottery Center
>>Open Studio * Gallery * Workshops
> >
> >1441 Dresden Drive, Suite 250
> >Atlanta, GA 30319
> >404-969-3260
> >www.mudfire.com
John Rodgers on fri 28 feb 03
That is pretty poor pay for that kind of education, skill, experience,
and physical condition!!! That is $290/week, $1256.66/Mo or
$15080/year. Would be tough to live on. If health, dental, and glasses
insurance was included the position MIGHT begin to have some merit, but
just barely. I note the hours make it just shy of full time employment,
which makes it possible to avoid all those extras that most full time
employees are entitled to under the law.
John Rodgers
Birmingham, AL
Luba and Erik wrote:
>The nice people at Pinckneyville Community Center in Gwinnett County
>(Atlanta suburbs), asked us for help finding someone for this position...
>
>We are seeking an experienced administrative/pottery assistant to assist in
>community center operations and manage our pottery studio.
>
>The applicant must possess a strong knowledge of firing, glaze mixing and
>glaze adjustment skills; and be responsible for the firing, upkeep and
>maintenance of both electric/gas kilns and equipment. Position also
>requires office and customer service skills, computer literacy, knowledge of
>general arts programs and development, and the ability to lift 50 lbs.
>Ceramics degree preferred. Position is part time, 29 hours per week, and
>pays $10.00 per/hr with vacation and sick leave.
>
>To apply, please call the Pinckneyville Community Center, (770) 417-2215.
>
>Erik Haagensen
>MudFire Pottery Center
>Open Studio * Gallery * Workshops
>
>1441 Dresden Drive, Suite 250
>Atlanta, GA 30319
>404-969-3260
>www.mudfire.com
>
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Cindi Anderson on fri 28 feb 03
I'm not sure why you're complaining... nobody says you have to take the job.
I personally have several friends who used to make 6 figures who would be
happy to find a job for that amount, at least temporarily. In case you
haven't noticed (maybe it is not as bad everywhere as it is in Silicon
Valley) there are a lot of people without jobs at all. Many are on the
verge of losing their homes, because it has been over a year they have been
without employment. This is not even mentioning the lower skilled people
who work at Burger King type places, and $10 an hour would be a step up.
Cindi
Fremont, CA
John Rodgers on sat 1 mar 03
Ned Ludd wrote:
> Hi John
> Couldn't agree more. Still, it seems to me that the pay for this
> position is about in line with what a skilled potter in America would
> earn at the outset of a job working for another potter in the
> latter's studio.
Yes, but maybe I misread the announcement, but this one seemed to ask
for someone with all the skills to run the whole show. More
responsibility, more money.
Actually, better, as the potter's assistant, if
> working on a part time basis, gets no vacation time and no sick pay.
> There are exceptions such as for fast throwers earning piecework at
> factories like Salmon Falls which according to its ads in CM offers
> over $20k p.a. plus benefits, depending on output.
Yes, but production throwing is a whole 'nother bear of a different stripe.
>
>
> The hard fact is, $15k a year for 29 hours a week, which non potters
> with further education might view as inadequate, is considered ok in
> our field.
Now isn't that the problem. "It's considered OK!!". I don't consider it
OK. Who considers it OK?
What authority stepped forward and said it was "OK". I just did some
reading on a government site regarding labor in this country, and wages
in different categories. The data that was reported on gave Painterly
artists estimated annual income range was $35,000-$45,000 and
Potter/Clay workers $25,000-$30,000.
Pardon me while I be a bit hostile over this item. By whose authority is
it that it is "OK" to pay pee-poor wages for skilled, educated,
experienced, physically able clayworkers just because the medium is clay.
Even thought the old saw about "whatever the traffic will bear" is a two
way street, the acceptance that it's "OK" is bunk in my book.
John Rodgers
Birmingham, AL
Earl Brunner on sat 1 mar 03
Cindi,
Just because people MIGHT be desperate for work doesn't mean they should
be taken advantage of. And just because someone needs work doesn't mean
they should work for anything.
How far would that $10.00 an hour job go towards paying for housing in
Silicon Valley?
Cindi Anderson wrote:
> I'm not sure why you're complaining... nobody says you have to take the job.
> I personally have several friends who used to make 6 figures who would be
> happy to find a job for that amount, at least temporarily. In case you
> haven't noticed (maybe it is not as bad everywhere as it is in Silicon
> Valley) there are a lot of people without jobs at all. Many are on the
> verge of losing their homes, because it has been over a year they have been
> without employment. This is not even mentioning the lower skilled people
> who work at Burger King type places, and $10 an hour would be a step up.
>
> Cindi
> Fremont, CA
>
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Tony Ferguson on sun 2 mar 03
I remember when $10 in the 80's was a lot of money. Unfortunetly, many
emplorers are stuck in the 80's. Kind of like when artists get paid $25 an
hour to do something in the community, a class, etc. Funny that you are
considered poor if you make less than $32,000 a year according to our
government. Last time I checked, a new professor starts around $25,000 to
28,000 in wisconsin/Minnesota. That is sad considering the time and money
spent to obtain an MFA and/or developing your expertise.
Tony
Thank you.
Tony Ferguson
On Lake Superior, where the sky meets the Lake
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Earl Brunner"
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: ceramics position near Atlanta, GA
> Cindi,
> Just because people MIGHT be desperate for work doesn't mean they should
> be taken advantage of. And just because someone needs work doesn't mean
> they should work for anything.
> How far would that $10.00 an hour job go towards paying for housing in
> Silicon Valley?
>
> Cindi Anderson wrote:
> > I'm not sure why you're complaining... nobody says you have to take the
job.
> > I personally have several friends who used to make 6 figures who would
be
> > happy to find a job for that amount, at least temporarily. In case you
> > haven't noticed (maybe it is not as bad everywhere as it is in Silicon
> > Valley) there are a lot of people without jobs at all. Many are on the
> > verge of losing their homes, because it has been over a year they have
been
> > without employment. This is not even mentioning the lower skilled
people
> > who work at Burger King type places, and $10 an hour would be a step up.
> >
> > Cindi
> > Fremont, CA
> >
> >
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