Craig Martell on thu 13 feb 03
Rick sez:
>Please take no offense to the following comment. Porcelain is the ideal word
>to demonstrate the opposing forces at work in the world of clay. As you lift
>your nose and exhale in pompous exhortation "I am a porcelain potter" toput
>down another customer, student or potter,
Hey Rick:
You should have omitted the first sentence in this post. I would assume
from what you imply here that you have issues with some folks who make
porcelain, or what you perceive as their attitude about where they fit in
with regard to the hierarchy of ceramic regaldom. It's sort of odd to
write a post that is bound to illicit offense and is written to do such and
then say: "please take no offense."
I don't know how anyone else feels about their work and the type of clay
that they use but my feeling is that it's all the same stuff. What we make
and how we apply ourselves and our knowledge and skill makes the
difference, not what we use or how we fire our work. I think you need to
address snobbery on an individual basis and not with a blanket, general
statement such as the above. I haven't seen any posts written to Clayart
by porcelain potters that would indicate any sort of elite separatism etc.,
ad nauseum.
regards, Craig Martell Hopewell, Oregon
Timakia@AOL.COM on thu 13 feb 03
Lisa, just to add to what was said about porcelain before by David:
Because of the lack of plastic clay, porcelain is very difficult to throw or=
=20
model with. It feels wonderful in ones hands, since it is very smooth and=20
buttery, but it is also very thirsty. When one works with it, it need to be=20
quickly. It dries out quicker and it sucks up water much quicker than other=20
clay. It warps easily when walls are uneven and one has to support large=20
areas that is not touching the kiln shelf=A0 when firing, since it becomes v=
ery=20
piro plastic(soft, because of the fluxing nature) during firing.=20
The same glazes that is used for high fire stoneware can be used for=20
porcelain, but there is a obvious difference in the brightness of the=20
outcome, since porcelain has nothing in the ingredients that can=20
"contaminate" the glaze.=20
Appart from the translucency of a porcelain piece(when very thin) it also=20
have a different ring when you knock something metally against the rim.
Porcelain is a clay that you either love from the start or hate from the=20
start. I used it for the first time around 1989, but at the time the=20
appearence were too clinical looking for me. I tried it again 1995 and since=
=20
then loves it.=20
If you can get hold of the books of Peter Lane or Mary Rogers, you will see=20
what can be done with porcelain. It is incredible.
Antoinette(a student as far as porcelain are concerned)
Antoinette Badenhorst
105 Westwood Circle
Saltillo, MS
38866
Phone/Fax 662 869-1651
Http://Hometown.aol.com/Timakia
Rick Hamelin on thu 13 feb 03
Please take no offense to the following comment. Porcelain is the ideal word
to demonstrate the opposing forces at work in the world of clay. As you lift
your nose and exhale in pompous exhortation "I am a porcelain potter" toput
down another customer, student or potter, just remember that PORCE means pig
and L'AIN means groin. The Jesuits came up with the term on the Yellow River
hundreds of years ago. One person's clay is another person's ........Here I go
running amuck.....
Timakia@AOL.COM on fri 14 feb 03
And you better run to make sure you do not get chopped up! :-)
Antoinette Badenhorst
105 Westwood Circle
Saltillo, MS
38866
Phone/Fax 662 869-1651
Http://Hometown.aol.com/Timakia
claybair on fri 14 feb 03
So does my use of both porcelain and stoneware make me a bi-polar potter?
Tomato - Tomahto. potato - paahtahto, stoneware - porcelain......
Who cares.....
Gayle Bair - my nose is never stuck up... hmmm..... that didn't sound quite
right!-)
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Martell
Rick sez:
>Please take no offense to the following comment. Porcelain is the ideal
word
>to demonstrate the opposing forces at work in the world of clay. As you
lift
>your nose and exhale in pompous exhortation "I am a porcelain potter" toput
>down another customer, student or potter,
Hey Rick:
You should have omitted the first sentence in this post. I would assume
from what you imply here that you have issues with some folks who make
porcelain, or what you perceive as their attitude about where they fit in
with regard to the hierarchy of ceramic regaldom. It's sort of odd to
write a post that is bound to illicit offense and is written to do such and
then say: "please take no offense."
I don't know how anyone else feels about their work and the type of clay
that they use but my feeling is that it's all the same stuff. What we make
and how we apply ourselves and our knowledge and skill makes the
difference, not what we use or how we fire our work. I think you need to
address snobbery on an individual basis and not with a blanket, general
statement such as the above. I haven't seen any posts written to Clayart
by porcelain potters that would indicate any sort of elite separatism etc.,
ad nauseum.
regards, Craig Martell Hopewell, Oregon
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