Hank Murrow on sat 18 jan 03
On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 06:49 PM, martin schiller wrote:
> Are there any sites that feature any quicktime clips of potting
> procedures. Something like a 15 second clip of trimming technique,
> handles, glaze application. Clips of hump throwing techniques from
> different production folks.
>
Dear Martin;
As soon as I find a server with large capacity at a reasonable price, I
plan to supplement the still tutorials with links to my video tutorials
on soft faceting and displacement trimming, with others to follow.
There are about 6 clips of 90 seconds each to reveal the processes. I
hope to have these running in the Clayart room at NCECA.
Meanwhile, have a look at www.murrow.biz/hank and click on the tutorial
page.
Cheers, Hank
AKitchens on sat 18 jan 03
In line with the current wedging discussion, I am curious if anyone on
the list prepares their throwing clay using a foot wedging process.
I was introduced to the method briefly in a workshop with Joel Cottett
several years ago.
It made perfect sense to me to use leg muscles in an up and down motion
than to use the arm muscles in a forward back motion, it's a much more
ergonomic movement and it exercises the larger muscles, burning more
calories to boot.
Nan Kitchens
Snowy Tennessee
where "they" panic when three inches of snow falls, schools close,
mountain roads close. Pfffft my Minnesota relatives would be laughing
their...off.
martin schiller on sat 18 jan 03
a msg from Akitchens@infoave.com on 1/18/03 2:07 PM included ...
>It made perfect sense to me to use leg muscles in an up and down motion
>than to use the arm muscles in a forward back motion, it's a much more
>ergonomic movement and it exercises the larger muscles, burning more
>calories to boot.
This would make a nice video clip for someone to post on their website.
Are there any sites that feature any quicktime clips of potting
procedures. Something like a 15 second clip of trimming technique,
handles, glaze application. Clips of hump throwing techniques from
different production folks.
Martin
Lee Love on sun 19 jan 03
----- Original Message -----
> >It made perfect sense to me to use leg muscles in an up and down motion
> >than to use the arm muscles in a forward back motion, it's a much more
> >ergonomic movement and it exercises the larger muscles, burning more
> >calories to boot.
>
> This would make a nice video clip for someone to post on their website.
We do occasionally do foot wedging at the workshop, but unlike wedging
by hand, size, weight and stamina are very useful. Foot wedging is a lot like
using a Stair Master stepping workout machine. You work up a sweat doing it:
you are wringing wet once you get going. There is a Japanese video of the
deshis doing this just a month before I arrived at the workshop. I don't have
a copy of it, sorry, I saw it at the Messe.
The younger male deshi/apprentice (the woman deshi isn't made to do
this) has pity on me, and after the first couple times, he volunteered to do the
all the treading. What I do is cut the clay from the mound and put it on the
floor for him to tread. It puts you in mind of grape stomping, but balance
becomes an important factor as the mound grows taller. We hang onto the
overhead bamboo ware racks to steady ourselves as the mound grows.
This is only done for rough wedging, usually from hard trimming recycle
or the initial stages of mixing up the Shigaraki clay for the Yohen chamber of
the noborigama. Think of it as a primitive Soldner mixer. :^) When foot
wedging is complete, the clay is run through the pugmill. I don't think most
folks would find it a plausible replacement for handwedging, and as I mention,
while there is no apparent advantage for strength, weight or size in hand
wedging, (when the clay is the proper softness) size, weight, and stamina
are and advantage for foot wedging.
On the other hand, if you go to the Health Club and pay them good
money to use their Stair Master, foot wedging might be a cheap alternative. :^)
Everybody should try it once, because you feel like a naughty
kid with clay oozing between your toes. It would make a great "ice breaker"
at a workshop. Actually, if you were teaching Japanese style kikumomi (the
spiral wedging I learned back home is not the same), it might be a way to add
water and make store bought clay softer before hand wedging.
--
Lee In Mashiko Ikiru@hachiko.com
"First we must overcome the inhibitions of our Western civilization
that cause us to feel knowledge by touch is immature, primitive, and even
illegal. Among many other peoples the hand is a live instrument of experience,
used in daily life to hold, lift, grip and explore. As a tool for living, it
becomes a tool for knowing."
~~ Warren
MacKenzie ~~
J. B. Clauson on sun 19 jan 03
Nice site. Still pictures and text make excellent tutorial.
Curious note: Site would not load on MSN browser. It said that it couldn't
find the address. I tried the Mozilla browser and had no problem.
Jan C.
Craig Edwards on sun 19 jan 03
hello Lee ;
I remember foot wedging years ago. I remember that it was hard work and that
beer made it easier. The thing that comes to mind is that above everything
else,is that it gives you " happy feet". It is the worlds greatest foot
masage. For the next day your feet are free of " the thousand natural shocks
this flesh lie heir too".
Now I have a Bluebird Clay mixer and only the memory of happy feet!
Craig Edwards
New London
>
> We do occasionally do foot wedging at the workshop, but unlike
>wedging
>by hand, size, weight and stamina are very useful. Foot wedging is a lot
>like
>using a Stair Master stepping workout machine. You work up a sweat doing
>it:
>you are wringing wet once you get going. There is a Japanese video of the
>deshis doing this just a month before I arrived at the workshop. I don't
>have
>a copy of it, sorry, I saw it at the Messe.
>
> The younger male deshi/apprentice (the woman deshi isn't made to
>do
>this) has pity on me, and after the first couple times, he volunteered to
>do the
>all the treading. What I do is cut the clay from the mound and put it on
>the
>floor for him to tread. It puts you in mind of grape stomping, but
>balance
>becomes an important factor as the mound grows taller. We hang onto the
>overhead bamboo ware racks to steady ourselves as the mound grows.
>
> This is only done for rough wedging, usually from hard trimming
>recycle
>or the initial stages of mixing up the Shigaraki clay for the Yohen chamber
>of
>the noborigama. Think of it as a primitive Soldner mixer. :^) When
>foot
>wedging is complete, the clay is run through the pugmill. I don't think
>most
>folks would find it a plausible replacement for handwedging, and as I
>mention,
>while there is no apparent advantage for strength, weight or size in hand
>wedging, (when the clay is the proper softness) size, weight, and stamina
>are and advantage for foot wedging.
>
> On the other hand, if you go to the Health Club and pay them
>good
>money to use their Stair Master, foot wedging might be a cheap alternative.
>:^)
>
> Everybody should try it once, because you feel like a
>naughty
>kid with clay oozing between your toes. It would make a great "ice
>breaker"
>at a workshop. Actually, if you were teaching Japanese style kikumomi
>(the
>spiral wedging I learned back home is not the same), it might be a way to
>add
>water and make store bought clay softer before hand wedging.
>
>--
>Lee In Mashiko Ikiru@hachiko.com
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James Bledsoe on mon 20 jan 03
the only better way is to turn the horse or oxen lose
jim
For some of the primitive type kilns we build the only way to make the
Daub (a mixture of clay, sand, & straw, with water) is by treading it.
Mechanical means have been tried, but they don't do the job half as well
as feet.
It's also a good cure for Athlete's foot!!
:-)
Steve
Bath
UK
Steve Mills on mon 20 jan 03
For some of the primitive type kilns we build the only way to make the=20
Daub (a mixture of clay, sand, & straw, with water) is by treading it.=20
Mechanical means have been tried, but they don't do the job half as well=20
as feet.
It's also a good cure for Athlete's foot!!
:-)
Steve
Bath
UK
In message , Craig Edwards writes
>hello Lee ;
>I remember foot wedging years ago. I remember that it was hard work and th=
at
>beer made it easier. The thing that comes to mind is that above everything
>else,is that it gives you " happy feet". It is the worlds greatest foot
>masage. For the next day your feet are free of " the thousand natural shoc=
ks
>this flesh lie heir too".
>Now I have a Bluebird Clay mixer and only the memory of happy feet!
>
>Craig Edwards
>New London
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> We do occasionally do foot wedging at the workshop, but unlike
>>wedging
>>by hand, size, weight and stamina are very useful. Foot wedging is a l=
ot
>>like
>>using a Stair Master stepping workout machine. You work up a sweat doi=
ng
>>it:
>>you are wringing wet once you get going. There is a Japanese video of t=
he
>>deshis doing this just a month before I arrived at the workshop. I don't
>>have
>>a copy of it, sorry, I saw it at the Messe.
>>
>> The younger male deshi/apprentice (the woman deshi isn't made =
to
>>do
>>this) has pity on me, and after the first couple times, he volunteered to
>>do the
>>all the treading. What I do is cut the clay from the mound and put it =
on
>>the
>>floor for him to tread. It puts you in mind of grape stomping, but
>>balance
>>becomes an important factor as the mound grows taller. We hang onto the
>>overhead bamboo ware racks to steady ourselves as the mound grows.
>>
>> This is only done for rough wedging, usually from hard trimming
>>recycle
>>or the initial stages of mixing up the Shigaraki clay for the Yohen chamb=
er
>>of
>>the noborigama. Think of it as a primitive Soldner mixer. :^) When
>>foot
>>wedging is complete, the clay is run through the pugmill. I don't think
>>most
>>folks would find it a plausible replacement for handwedging, and as I
>>mention,
>>while there is no apparent advantage for strength, weight or size in hand
>>wedging, (when the clay is the proper softness) size, weight, and stamina
>>are and advantage for foot wedging.
>>
>> On the other hand, if you go to the Health Club and pay them
>>good
>>money to use their Stair Master, foot wedging might be a cheap alternativ=
e.
>>:^)
>>
>> Everybody should try it once, because you feel like a
>>naughty
>>kid with clay oozing between your toes. It would make a great "ice
>>breaker"
>>at a workshop. Actually, if you were teaching Japanese style kikumomi
>>(the
>>spiral wedging I learned back home is not the same), it might be a way to
>>add
>>water and make store bought clay softer before hand wedging.
>>
>>--
>>Lee In Mashiko Ikiru@hachiko.com
>
>
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AKitchens on wed 22 jan 03
It was a grand ice breaker in the workshop, and as we pulled off a little clay with the arches of our feet in each counter clockwise rotation from the center mound, we all realized that balance and concentration was most important to this process. Joel used this clay right off the finished mound to throw his large pots, without any more hand wedging. But then, He was known for thinking "out of the box". Which was also a good lesson gained from his workshop.
Nan Kitchens
Tennessee and Key Largo
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:06:26 +0900
From: Lee Love
Subject: Alternative wedging, foot?
----- Original Message -----
Everybody should try it once, because you feel like a naughty
kid with clay oozing between your toes. It would make a great "ice breaker"at a workshop. Actually, if you were teaching Japanese style kikumomi (the spiral wedging I learned back home is not the same), it might be a way to add water and make store bought clay softer before hand wedging.
--
Lee In Mashiko Ikiru@hachiko.com
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