Karin Hurt on tue 7 jan 03
what I have done in the past is this, if someone asked for my book, I
recommended they go to the Library. If it was a really good friend I have
been known to buy the book for him or her, like Vince's book or Tom Coleman's
book on glazes.
Just my two cents worth.
Karin in Arizona
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John Hesselberth on tue 7 jan 03
On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 09:06 PM, Vince Pitelka wrote:
> To imply that a book owner should not share their books, or share
> and techniques from the books with their friends would be pretty
> To my knowledge, Ron and John never said that.
You are right Vince. We've actually sold a lot of books because friends
have shared with friends. Of course a few of them are now ex-friends
because they didn't return the book and the original owner had to buy
another one. But overall I have had a lot of people say they are buying
their own copy because they had to return the one they borrowed.
Eleanor on tue 7 jan 03
I have a friend whose father was a waiter. In restaurants, she
Among the many good reasons for buying books which have already been
posted to Clayart, let me add another: it nurtures the clay community.
I can't contribute anywhere near as much to this list as the many
professionals who give so freely of their expertise. I have learned
volumes because of their generosity. So I buy their books. I have a
large library of clay books and as soon as R&J's Mastering and Vince
Pitelka's Handbook were published, I bought them. (Wonderful books,
I can afford to buy books. If you can't, get them from the library or
borrow them and when you have the $$$, buy.
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Mayssan Shora Farra on tue 7 jan 03
Well I have sinned, I lent my "mastering ^6 glazes" to a potter friend
because she was intersted in one of the glazes I tried.
This Christmas she asked and got Ron and John's book because like all good
resouce books you cannot just borrow it, You have to own it because you go
back to it all the time.
Thank you both for a great book.
In WV where the snow is on the ground but the sun is shining bright
Mayssan Shora Farra
Vince Pitelka on tue 7 jan 03
I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that there is NOTHING wrong with
sharing books you have bought, or with sharing recipes from those books with
your friends. It's your book, do what you want with it. When we discussed
posting recipes from books, it was in regard to postings on Clayart, where
the recipe might go out to thousands of people, and might significantly
damage sales of the book. I think everyone agreed that it would be
unethical to post recipes from recently published books on Clayart.
To imply that a book owner should not share their books, or share recipes
and techniques from the books with their friends would be pretty mercenary.
To my knowledge, Ron and John never said that.
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Ron Roy on thu 9 jan 03
To imply not sharing with being mercenary is the worst possible
connotation. I could say that sharing is a way to maintain control - again
the worst connotation
There are good reasons for encouraging others to obtain the knowledge
necessary to be successful and independent in their work.
As you all know - I am for sharing - but there is always the hope that it
will encourage others to pursue a better understanding of our craft.
Without understanding and innovation we eventually turn our craft into
stagnation and boredom - when we share we should try to do it in a way that
encourages learning and growth
I don't share my books simply because I use them all - constantly - and -
as others have noted - it is possible they would not come back.
If someone wanted to copy recipes out of them they can do it - but - I
would be bound to also share my experience and encourage innovation.
I guess what I trying to say here - if you want to help a friend - just
giving them a book is an easy thing to do - there are better ways to help -
but it takes time.
I should also repeat - just to clarify - John and Ron are vitally
interested in potters understanding their craft - it is our prime
motivation for writing. If we are thought of as mercenary we cannot help
that but it is a misunderstanding. Glazes are more than just recipes - the
high rate of shared glazes failing is proof of that - we are trying to
change the way potters think about glazes.
>To imply that a book owner should not share their books, or share recipes
>and techniques from the books with their friends would be pretty mercenary.
>To my knowledge, Ron and John never said that.
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Catherine White on thu 9 jan 03
I sometimes feel a bit guilty when I buy a beautiful pottery reference book
through a used outlet. That means the author receives no commission on it.
But, if I didn't buy it used I couldn't acquire all the wonderful books now
setting in my potting library. On the other hand, these older used purchases
free up sufficient cash for me to buy the newer books so it probably all
Catherine in Yuma, AZ
Two ancient electric kilns. Both outside.
It never rains here at the Mexican border.
One partner, one kid, one dog, two cats. All inside.
Lily Krakowski on thu 9 jan 03
Do not feel guilty! The author will love you all the more for buying his
book and reviving it for a new generation!
I recently bought two older books, long out of print, and now have them to
be able to cite and quote. The long dead authors live on because I bought
their books--which might well have ended up at the dump if the dealer did
not sell them within an appropriate time.
As to pottery books? Well wouldn't Binns or Andrew Holden or someone like
that be delighted that their work is shaping a new generation through you?
Actors do get residuals. But authors get advances --few of them earned
out--and royalties....Don't cry for them...
Catherine White writes:
> I sometimes feel a bit guilty when I buy a beautiful pottery reference book
> through a used outlet. That means the author receives no commission on it.
> But, if I didn't buy it used I couldn't acquire all the wonderful books now
> setting in my potting library. On the other hand, these older used purchases
> free up sufficient cash for me to buy the newer books so it probably all
> evens out.
> Catherine in Yuma, AZ
> Two ancient electric kilns. Both outside.
> It never rains here at the Mexican border.
> One partner, one kid, one dog, two cats. All inside.
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