mel jacobson on sat 14 sep 02
remember, axner is having many of the old books
re/done printed, using digital copying.
they can be printed in small numbers. he has
them for sale.
and, not expensive.
they make great historical reading.
check it out.
this has been one of his `labor of love` projects.
Minnetonka, Minnesota, U.S.A.
web site: my.pclink.com/~melpots
or try: http://www.pclink.com/melpots
iandol on sun 15 sep 02
I think it is a superb gesture for people like Axner to reproduce =
Ceramic Text Books of a former era which are now out of print. There are =
several I would like to add to my shelves, including translations of =
books from Europe.
But I would caution that we are now in the Twenty first Century. Many of =
the concepts introduced by Binns and Bourry at the beginning of the =
1900s have been superseded. Other ideas have been truncated in recent =
times so that subtle nuances have been lost in transmission. =
Furthermore, Ceramic Science has been brought up to date through the =
teaching of Prof. David Kingery and the research of Dr. Pamela Vandiver.
It may pay to approach these old works with benevolent criticism and =
accept that, though Words may be immutable, Ideas are malleable.
Ivor Lewis. Redhill, South Australia=20
Steve Dalton on mon 16 sep 02
on 9/14/02 10:46 AM, iandol at iandol@TELL.NET.AU wrote:
> Dear Mel,
> I think it is a superb gesture for people like Axner to reproduce Ceramic Text
> Books of a former era which are now out of print. There are several I would
> like to add to my shelves, including translations of books from Europe.
> But I would caution that we are now in the Twenty first Century. Many of the
> concepts introduced by Binns and Bourry at the beginning of the 1900s have
> been superseded.
I'm going to disagree with you, and here are the areas where. Philosophy
for one. When we read one of those older books, we are delving into what
was known then and what the author's mind set was at that time. We are
getting into what the author was trying to work with and to improve upon
what was known at that time.
Also, I believe the concepts the author is working with at this time, is
quite possibly the most purest form. Sure, many books have been written
since Bourry or Binns but we're then dealing with a new author's
perspective. We're dealing with his new angle on the concept. Maybe the
new author missed something important in his interpretation of the original
I am thankful that Axner and many others are bringing back out of print
books. I believe that many areas of what we work with has been lost and now
we can review.
Clear Creek Pottery
iandol on tue 17 sep 02
Dear Steve Dalton,
Had I said "all concepts had been superseded" you would have been in =
order to chastise me.
But as I said I would like to have them in my collection, so that they =
were ready as handy references and not indicated there was a dichotomy, =
in allowing that there were concepts which were still useful, I hold to =
my position; that we should be critical readers of ancient texts.
Lee Love on tue 17 sep 02
I wonder if they could reprint Hamada's photo book of 77 Teabowls? I saw a
used one at the bookstore here in Mashiko about 2 years ago, but at the time, I
didn't have the $200.00 they wanted for it.
A friend got a copy of it about a year ago. A couple of foreigners
(english teachers), were moving into a potter's house that had past away.
They told my friend to come and get any of the "old" pottery books that were
basically debris in the house. She didn't know what she had in her hands until
I told her. (she and her husband had just helped me shop at the pottery supply
store and I followed them over to look at the abandoned anagama and see what
books they were going to get.)
I color Xeroxed my favorite dozen teabowls from the book (didn't want to
break the back of the book), but I want to get a "real" copy someday. It is
the kind of book that will never be outdated.
Lee Love In Mashiko, JAPAN Ikiru@hachiko.com
"Clay is molded to make a vessel, but the utility of the vessel lies in the
space where there is nothing...Thus, taking advantage of what is, we recognize
the utility of what is not.". --Lao Tzu
Steve Dalton on wed 18 sep 02
on 9/16/02 11:09 AM, iandol at iandol@TELL.NET.AU wrote:
> Dear Steve Dalton,
> Had I said "all concepts had been superseded" you would have been in order to
> chastise me.
> But as I said I would like to have them in my collection, so that they were
> ready as handy references and not indicated there was a dichotomy, in allowing
> that there were concepts which were still useful, I hold to my position; that
> we should be critical readers of ancient texts.
> Best regards,
> Ivor Lewis.
I was not trying to chastise you. I apologize if you felt this way. I was
merely stating that I believe the information in those ancient texts is
Clear Creek Pottery