Leland G. Hall on wed 31 jul 02
On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:16:29 -0500, Craig Clark wrote:
> Leland, if you are going to attack my logic or specificity of language
I
>suggest that you read what I have written more clearly. In the missive I
>stated I believed that the inventor of ITC was working on a graduate degree
>in chemistry and that the composition of it may (please look up the
>definition of may if the word baffles you) not be that simple.
>Craig Dunn Clark
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Leland G. Hall"
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:01 AM
>Subject: Re: Zirconia wash -- reply to Leland--self sufficiency
>
>
>> On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:16:11 -0600, Dave Finkelnburg
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Leland,
>> > The anser to Barb Mueller's question is, ITC is a family of
>commercial
>> >products made by International Technical Ceramics for application to
>metal
>> >and refractory material in kilns.
>> > You may not be aware of some of the rest of this. While what you
>> >suggest, Leland, is certainly possible, and legla since it's not a
>patented
>> >product as far as I know, many of us who are acquainted with the
inventor
>> of
>> >ITC, Feriz Delkic, and who knew his wonderful wife, Alice, before she
>died,
>> >are not going to support your suggestion. Feriz and Alice, and now
>Feriz,
>> >have supported ClayArt at NCECA financially to a significant extent.
>While
>> >ITC is primarily an industrial product, Alice was endlessly helpful to
>> >potters, advising them of the right product, how to use it, explaining
>what
>> >tools were needed, etc. She was, and Feriz continues to be, very
giving.
>> >Wonderful folks.
>> > I'll buy my ITC, thanks. To do anything else wouldn't feel right.
>> > With kind regards,
>> > Dave Finkelnburg, having a hard time seeing at the moment,
>> >thinking of Feriz in the ClayArt room in Kansas City last March,
>struggling
>> >without Alice there...
>> >
>> >From: "Leland G. Hall"
>> >> Yes, ITC is a comercial product that from what I have heard works
>really
>> >> well, and is also too darned expesive for my meager budget. But the
>> >> question of formula is a darned good one. I'd bet it's fairly simple.
>> >> Maybe someone ought to analyze a sample. I'd love to make to own. Is
>> >this
>> >> legal? Any thoughts?
>> >
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>> Thanks to Tom, Dave and others who had thoughts about making an ITC
>> facsimile in the studio. I stand corrected regarding ITC being a simple
>> formula. Well, I think I do any way. Sounds like nobody really knows
>> what's in the stuff but the inventor eh? And if anyone does, their not
>> saying out of loyalty to the inventor, and that's ok of course. I see
that
>> some one thinks that since Mr. Delkic is highly educated that the formula
>> is by nessesity complicated. Well, it probably is, but your logic
>wouldn't
>> hold up in court. No matter. I agree that the process of finding out
how
>> to make it would not be worth it. (For me any way) Nevertheless, I think
>> Dave is a little out there when he implies that it would be wrong to make
>> our own if we could do it affordably. I'm sure that Mr. Delkic is a fine
>> human being, and that he deserves whatever the market will bear for his
>> product. I am also sure that Mrs. Delkic was a fine lady. My
>> condolances. I don't know these people. Never met them. Ment no
>> disrespect, as was obvious. But you can bet that there are many of us
>that
>> will create our own tools and materials just because we can, and often
>too,
>> because it is cost effective. I don't know your occupation Dave, but I
>> suppose you are involved with the clay arts. Tell me, do you mix your
own
>> clay? Or do you buy preprosessed clay so as to not deprive your local
>> ceramics supplier of your business? Your logic breaks down in my view. I
>> too believe in supporting entreupeneurship, small business and cottage
>> industry. It's even better when it's local, or friends. But I am not in
>> the habit of paying good money for something that I can produce myself.
>> This would be a moot point were it not for Mr. Finkelnburgs comment "I'll
>> buy ITC, to do any thing else wouldn't feel right". I'll probably buy
ITC
>> too for that matter, but not for sentimental reasons (not that there's
any
>> thing wrong with that) and also not to keep Mr. Delkic in business. I'll
>> buy it because I need it, and can't produce it my self. (not that
there's
>> anything wrong with that either!) So, back to my original question---I
was
>> just asking. And now I know. Well, I think I do any way. Thanks again.
>>
>> Regards
>> Leland G. Hall
>> Before The Wheel Enterprises
>> La Pine, Oregon Where I just deprived my good friends at Georgies
>> Ceramic Supply the sale of a new kiln by re-wireing my old Duncan. And it
>> pissed them off. They told me so. Oh well. Gotta do what ya gotta do.
>>
>>
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Craig,
Although it is true that I missed the "may" in your statement, (for which I
apologize) Nevertheless, at the time I believed that you were implying that
since the inventor was educated in chemistry that the formula is, indeed,
complicated. I could be wrong. Or not. Be that as it may, from the
several responses I have recieved, I see that that the motives for gaurding
the ITC formula are.
(complicated that is) or not. Whatever. I didn't start this. Some one else
asked about the formula for ITC first. I just thought it was a good
question. If that person is following this thread I imagine they are
somewhat amused by now. I am.
Regards
Leland Hall
Before The Wheel Enterprises
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