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underselling other artists because you can--was payment

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Richard Jeffery on sat 22 jun 02

forpots

a thought to add to original post..,

<> doesn't gel with lower
than market value prices. I started out "subsidised" - worked full time,
did this as well. Used whatever fat from day job to buy hardware. Still
"subsidised" now - do other things to make the payments at the end of the
month, when i have to.

But starting a business means realistic pricing from the outset. Otherwise
there is no benefit from the financial support from any source - you could
argue it's the customer who is actually being subsidised. Here's a nice
bowl, but because I have enough income from elsewhere, I'm going to give you
half your money back.....

not easy

Richard


Richard Jeffery

Web Design and Photography
www.theeleventhweb.co.uk
Bournemouth UK



-----Original Message-----
From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
Behalf Of Earl Brunner
Sent: 22 June 2002 03:30
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Underselling other artists because you can--was payment
forpots


To me, a "subsidized" potter isn't necessarily one that has additional
income
coming into their house from other sources, but one that doesn't pay full
"cost"
for what they make. They make pottery at the university, community college,
art
center, etc. Or the very good high school student that doesn't pay for his
gas (he
lives at home) etc.

Lois Ruben Aronow wrote:

> But here's what angers me - I am one of those "subsidized" potters. I
> REALLY resent that phrase. I am not "subsidized". I am starting a
> new business, like any other. Yes, I am fortunate we can live on my
> husbands income alone. This means he is a supportive spouse, not a
> "subsidiser". My being a potter allows me to pick my son up at
> school, be around for the kids, be around for my husband (who commutes
> 3 1/2 hours a day) and generally run the house. All this while trying
> to makes pots and be profitable at it. I find it hard to believe that
> anyone who goes through all the work of selling their wares
> (especially the work of doing it at a crafts fair) does it for the fun
> of it, which is basically what's being implied. I'm not setting my
> prices higher to help other potters, as I have been told I should do.
> I just want to sell pots, and lots of 'em.
>

--
Earl Brunner
http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec
mailto:bruec@anv.net

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Tony Ferguson on sat 22 jun 02

forpots

Richard,

Good point. We all have been subsidized at some point or forever will be to
some certain degree. I too am talking about realistic and fair pricing for
the artist. Never thought about the buyer being subsidized. God, you're
right!

Tony


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Jeffery"
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: Underselling other artists because you can--was payment forpots


> a thought to add to original post..,
>
> <> doesn't gel with
lower
> than market value prices. I started out "subsidised" - worked full time,
> did this as well. Used whatever fat from day job to buy hardware. Still
> "subsidised" now - do other things to make the payments at the end of the
> month, when i have to.
>
> But starting a business means realistic pricing from the outset.
Otherwise
> there is no benefit from the financial support from any source - you could
> argue it's the customer who is actually being subsidised. Here's a nice
> bowl, but because I have enough income from elsewhere, I'm going to give
you
> half your money back.....
>
> not easy
>
> Richard
>
>
> Richard Jeffery
>
> Web Design and Photography
> www.theeleventhweb.co.uk
> Bournemouth UK
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
> Behalf Of Earl Brunner
> Sent: 22 June 2002 03:30
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: Underselling other artists because you can--was payment
> forpots
>
>
> To me, a "subsidized" potter isn't necessarily one that has additional
> income
> coming into their house from other sources, but one that doesn't pay full
> "cost"
> for what they make. They make pottery at the university, community
college,
> art
> center, etc. Or the very good high school student that doesn't pay for
his
> gas (he
> lives at home) etc.
>
> Lois Ruben Aronow wrote:
>
> > But here's what angers me - I am one of those "subsidized" potters. I
> > REALLY resent that phrase. I am not "subsidized". I am starting a
> > new business, like any other. Yes, I am fortunate we can live on my
> > husbands income alone. This means he is a supportive spouse, not a
> > "subsidiser". My being a potter allows me to pick my son up at
> > school, be around for the kids, be around for my husband (who commutes
> > 3 1/2 hours a day) and generally run the house. All this while trying
> > to makes pots and be profitable at it. I find it hard to believe that
> > anyone who goes through all the work of selling their wares
> > (especially the work of doing it at a crafts fair) does it for the fun
> > of it, which is basically what's being implied. I'm not setting my
> > prices higher to help other potters, as I have been told I should do.
> > I just want to sell pots, and lots of 'em.
> >
>
> --
> Earl Brunner
> http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec
> mailto:bruec@anv.net
>
>
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