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square vases (?)

Joyce Lee on wed 12 jun 02

Had lunch today at a new French restaurant. The "vases" which held one
flower each were like very thick tiles standing on end, with a hole in =
the middle of the top edge to hold the flower. Made of that
heavy, clear plasticy stuff for which I have no name at the moment. =
Simple, different, nice. Several of the guests asked if I could make =
something like this in clay. Well, yeah, duh.=20

Then I began the visualization, and lost the duh. Looked like they were =
at least an inch thick. Question lingering at the moment is..... would =
it be better to just form a 6" by 6" tile that's 1" thick, punch a hole =
halfway down through the top edge ............... or will the drying and =
^10 firing work better if I make two tiles for each vase, each 1/2" =
thick; score and join them to form the 1" thick vase? My physics isn't =
working well enough tonight to tell me even WHY I think the latter =
choice might have a better chance of coming through the process whole =
.... but it does sort of seem so. I'm sure I'll try both ways to see =
for myself ..... and that in time I'll move beyond the square into other =
shapes with the same simple geometric look .... but for now ..... well, =
maybe you can help.

Thank you.

Joyce
In the Mojave agreeing with Tommy about Tony's "flea" comment .... Tony =
chose to take the High Road. Good for him. Quality will out....... not =
that Low Roaders can't be quality, but in this case, my statement =
stands. Reminds me in a very vague way of John Donne's "The Flea,"
which also demonstrates that a flea is not always a flea........

L. P. Skeen on thu 13 jun 02

Joyce,

Why don't you make 2 tiles 1/4" thick and let them stiffen, cut 45* angles,
make 1" wide strips for the sides and bottom, cut 45* angles, let stiffen,
then join 'em all together for a hollow box form, add feet, and cut a hole
for the flwers? (See, I DID pay attention when Vince was here...)

L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joyce Lee"
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:44 AM
Subject: Square Vases (?)

Had lunch today at a new French restaurant. The "vases" which held one
flower each were like very thick tiles standing on end, with a hole in the
middle of the top edge to hold the flower. Made of that
heavy, clear plasticy stuff for which I have no name at the moment. Simple,
different, nice. Several of the guests asked if I could make something like
this in clay. Well, yeah, duh.

Then I began the visualization, and lost the duh. Looked like they were at
least an inch thick. Question lingering at the moment is..... would it be
better to just form a 6" by 6" tile that's 1" thick, punch a hole halfway
down through the top edge ............... or will the drying and ^10 firing
work better if I make two tiles for each vase, each 1/2" thick; score and
join them to form the 1" thick vase? My physics isn't working well enough
tonight to tell me even WHY I think the latter choice might have a better
chance of coming through the process whole .... but it does sort of seem so.
I'm sure I'll try both ways to see for myself ..... and that in time I'll
move beyond the square into other shapes with the same simple geometric look
.... but for now ..... well, maybe you can help.

Thank you.

Joyce
In the Mojave agreeing with Tommy about Tony's "flea" comment .... Tony
chose to take the High Road. Good for him. Quality will out....... not
that Low Roaders can't be quality, but in this case, my statement stands.
Reminds me in a very vague way of John Donne's "The Flea,"
which also demonstrates that a flea is not always a flea........

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Nanci Bishof on thu 13 jun 02

Joyce,

The one inch thick isn't a problem in firing if you candle to pull out any
unbound water. Then bring the kiln temp up slowly. The inch thick has
advantages in speed of production since there would be no joining.

nanci

Snail Scott on thu 13 jun 02

At 09:44 PM 6/12/02 -0700, you wrote:
>would it be better to just form a 6" by 6" tile that's 1" thick, punch a
hole halfway down through the top edge ............... or will the drying
and ^10 firing work better if I make two tiles for each vase, each 1/2"
thick; score and join them to form the 1" thick vase?

I wouldn't introduce any opportunity for air pockets
in such a thick piece, and that's what joining two
1/2" slabs would do. Make them 1" solid, and make
the hole to put the flower in. Then use a stiff thin
rod (I like welding rod) to pierce through the
bottom most of the way to the top. Do lots of holes,
at least every 1/2". If you go all the way through,
just smooth over the holes at the top to hide them.
This should give adequate venting to prevent steam
explosions. Using groggy clay should also help. If
it's groggy enough, dry enough, and fired slowly,
you could probably skip the vent holes, too. I've
often fired unvented things much thicker than this
without trouble.

You could box-form them out of thinner slabs, too,
but I wouldn't bother. Keep it simple!

-Snail

David Hendley on thu 13 jun 02

I, of course, would extrude these.
I would make a 2-part hollow die, so the extrusion would be
a rectangular "tube", 6 inches wide and 1 inch deep, with
walls 1/4 inch thick.
After they have stiffened a little, I would add a bottom and a
top with a hole in it.

I have never made a die this wide and skinny, but I regularly
use one that is 5 inches wide and 1 1/2 inches deep.
Frankly, I would not make something as precarious as a 1 inch
wide vase. In fact, I usually add a larger base to my 1 1/2 inch
wide vases so they cannot be knocked over so easily.
Perhaps there is good reason the restaurant vases are made
out of heavy plastic, and not clay.

David Hendley
Maydelle, Texas
hendley@tyler.net
http://www.farmpots.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joyce Lee"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 11:44 PM
Subject: Square Vases (?)

Had lunch today at a new French restaurant. The "vases" which held one
flower each were like very thick tiles standing on end, with a hole in the
middle of the top edge to hold the flower. Made of that
heavy, clear plasticy stuff for which I have no name at the moment. Simple,
different, nice. Several of the guests asked if I could make something like
this in clay. Well, yeah, duh.

Then I began the visualization, and lost the duh. Looked like they were at
least an inch thick. Question lingering at the moment is..... would it be
better to just form a 6" by 6" tile that's 1" thick, punch a hole

Andi Fasimpaur on thu 13 jun 02

Ok, maybe I'm missing something here, but it seems to me, especially since
I *KNOW* that Joyce has an Extruder, that extruding a rectangular tube,
putting a slab top and bottom on, allowing the whole thing to set up and
then putting the hole in the top when the "box" is leather hard would
probably be a wonderful solution to this challenge. The hole can be made
with a piece of metal tubing cut off at an angle, or it could be made with
a drill bit... Bevel the hole a little bit for a nice clean finish and
you're set.

Best Wishes,

Andi.

Eric Suchman on fri 14 jun 02

The inch thick tile with a hole leaves precious little resevoir for the
flower's water. It would be ok for a weed vase but for 'real' flowers I go
the route of the seperate tiles, joined.

> From: Nanci Bishof
> Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:42:57 EDT
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: Square Vases (?)
>
> Joyce,
>
> The one inch thick isn't a problem in firing if you candle to pull out any
> unbound water. Then bring the kiln temp up slowly. The inch thick has
> advantages in speed of production since there would be no joining.
>
> nanci
>
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