clennell on wed 6 feb 02
Sour Cherry Pottery
> For those claybuds tackling prostate cancer I send a big, warm hug. We
> encountered prostate cancer this past summer.
One of my Clayart friends that was diagnosed sent me a a note suggesting
that I go for a physical. I made an appointment immediately.
the women are going to pick on us guys for this, but being a conservative
kind of guy i told my doctor that if he was going to violate me , he had to
ask me to go steady first. He laughed and I bit my bottom lip.
all was well and I would like to thank clayart for faraway friends that
think enough of me to care.
Instead of my customary closing "Cheers" tonight i send this out to the guys
Don't let the doctor use two fingers for a second opinion.
Tony and Sheila Clennell
Sour Cherry Pottery
4545 King Street
CANADA L0R 1B1
Judith S. Labovitz on thu 7 feb 02
Tony...its reassuring to learn your DRE gave you a clean bill of
health...I do want to urge ALL male clay claybuds over 50 to have not only
a DRE but a PSA annually, and to be very suspicious of ANY
variation. My husband was diagnosed with prostate cancer and his PSA was
low (I forget exactly...its been 7 years) but I think 5...however, it
was rising slowly from 4 to 4.5 and he demanded a biopsy....which showed
presence of cancer.
another friend (also a potter) immediately went to his doc for PSA (it
was low say 3 or something like that) and his doc said no need to worry
until (or unless) it goes to 6. WRONG!!
evidently the movement of the PSA could be the significant marker, not the
we've been there.....
please take this very serious!y!!
At 08:47 PM 2/6/02 +0800, you wrote:
>Sour Cherry Pottery
> > For those claybuds tackling prostate cancer I send a big, warm hug. We
> > encountered prostate cancer this past summer.
>One of my Clayart friends that was diagnosed sent me a a note suggesting
>that I go for a physical. I made an appointment immediately.
>the women are going to pick on us guys for this, but being a conservative
>kind of guy i told my doctor that if he was going to violate me , he had to
>ask me to go steady first. He laughed and I bit my bottom lip.
>all was well and I would like to thank clayart for faraway friends that
>think enough of me to care.
>Instead of my customary closing "Cheers" tonight i send this out to the guys
>Don't let the doctor use two fingers for a second opinion.
>Tony and Sheila Clennell
>Sour Cherry Pottery
>4545 King Street
>CANADA L0R 1B1
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potterybydai on thu 7 feb 02
Tony and others,
The word from my cousin (a prostate cancer survivor) is that you guys should
get an annual PSA test along with the physical exam. It's a simple blood
test; not covered by our medical coverage here, but only costs about $25.
Definitely worth it!
Dai in Kelowna, BC, also a cancer survivor, but not prostate
Life is 10% what happens to you, and 90% how you
respond to it.
Working Potter on thu 7 feb 02
In a message dated 2/7/2002 12:50:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> One of my Clayart friends that was diagnosed sent me a a note suggesting
> that I go for a physical. I made an appointment immediately.
> the women are going to pick on us guys for this, but being a conservative
> kind of guy i told my doctor that if he was going to violate me , he had to
> ask me to go steady first. He laughed and I bit my bottom lip.
> all was well and I would like to thank clayart for faraway friends that
> think enough of me to care.
> Instead of my customary closing "Cheers" tonight i send this out to the guys
> Bottoms Up
> Don't let the doctor use two fingers for a second opinion.
> Tony and Sheila Clennell
> Sour Cherry Pottery
> 4545 King Street
> Beamsville, Ontario
> CANADA L0R 1B1
Warmest hugs to the fellows also as my uncle and grandfather had prostae
cancer but dont hesitate to follow up.I have listened closely when any
celeb talked publically on he subject and gleaned that getting the annual
psa was critical and frankly several came out ok on he digital and psa but
still had a nagging hunch and persisted to get more input only were to get
their fears confirmed as their body had signaled .[We ladies too have heard
of the false positives and negatives in areas we need to get checked
There are amazing amounts of info online on jus about any med concern online
using most good search engines, hanks internet !! Also a REAL LIVE SOUL to
speak to at 1 800 4 CANCER and they are indeed graciously helpful and have
been very patient and thorough in answering any concerns and send
helpful information out.
You fellow are just lucky you don't have some of he exam stuff we ladies
have to subjec ourselves to,lol !!!!
Ann D McQueary on thu 7 feb 02
Guys, make a point of asking your doctor for the PSA test. My friend
goes to the doctor every year. Last year he changed doctors and got his
first PSA test. It was 14. Unluckily his cancer, although slow growing,
has escaped the prostate and moved into his bones. (This was the case
with my father, too, who had his first PSA reading of 924! Turns out his
"arthritis" damage is prostate cancer.)
My friend has started on Lupron injections, to reduce the original tumor
in preparation for radiation therapy. He will then have to continue on
Lupron (which eliminates the testosterone in your body). Injections cost
about 1800 for a three-month shot.
American Cancer Society has a good, cheap mainstream book which explains
the disease and sums up the current state of treatment. Also Dr Walsh
(who pioneered the new nerve-sparing surgery at Johns Hopkins Medical
Center) has a number of books out - ask for his newest one, which
explains in detail all treatments and outcomes and is very helpful.
This is a curable disease if you catch it early.
Bill Edwards on fri 31 oct 03
I was readinf David's statement and I agree with him
fully. I have one of David Beumee's bowls and when I
turn it over it sings along with the rest of the great
work put into it.
In the past I have thrown in several styles which
don't always include bottom rings. Old traditional
throwing techniques that I was taught never included
much ring or foot work. Folk pottery usually just had
the potters mark or rather a cut line while the wheel
was ever turning. But through the years I have adapted
and on larger pieces I will add a ring or two based on
the object. What I have been doing for years now is
throwing a base for large pots and sometimes a base
for large casseroles to set on when serving from them
in addition to some foot ring. This is asethetic
mostly but the base elevates the piece and makes it
more a center piece when preparing a table and will
help prevent an oven hot piece from possibly burning
or scorching some tables. I guess its like a fancy
coaster if I was going to pin a name on it? I do
admire David's work and can only wish I could aspire
to his level in time!
Censorship - Mel is the chief cook and bottle washer
and while the group is public domain its privately
held. Censorship is a way over-used word for groups
that have moderators. It may appear that a person is
being picked on but when you stir up more people in a
negative way than in a positive way, you get
moderated. I am sure that Mel would put all your posts
through once you determine you are part of a working
group and not over-whelming the group with rhetoric. I
really don't think Mel or Joyce is biased, maybe
pissed a little but not biased! If you feel someone is
attacking you on a personal level (no matter who you
are) then write them privately and see if you can work
it out. The other method, and the one I use, ignore
those that raises your BP and if they write something
worthy to you then consider that as your day for good
luck and go with it. Its pretty simply really!
Honestly, I believe everyone inherently are good and
want to be good in all things and especially when
dealing with other people. Our lives are short lived
as is and our work is minimal no matter how prolific
we think we are when you look at the 'BIG' picture.
Certainly we can on occasion add instead of subtract
and not inflict anymore hardships than we already have
on ourselves and others. I used to have a hard time
understanding things because I was an inventor and
with that I sounded argumentive when I was basically
trying to understand through what I thought was
constructive information gathering. I failed as a
person until I discovered there is a better method and
that was to open up and accept the differences in
people and that what I believe is important to me is
not important to someone else. I can still disagree
but I try not to throw my whole being into the
disagreement. Our group does not always talk about
pottery but all are potters. They contribute great
writings over time and when they need a shoulder they
get it. Its something that works out for everyone once
they spend a little time in Clayart and build on their
charector with the multitude who make this group up.
Happy Halloween to all you Pot goblins. Now we get to
talk turkey pretty soon and then...
Subject: Re: footrings, and whether to glaze inside
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