claybair on fri 19 oct 01
Another thing to check!
Last week I was cleaning up the studio and noticed the aluminum ducting for
my vent was corroded in many places and had a number of holes in it! I have
been wondering why, in spite of all my efforts to ensure the kiln vent was
operating correctly, there were still strong odors in the studio.
Fortunately I don't spend a lot of time in the studio when firing.
Check your ducting! I mentioned it to Joe at Clay Art Center in Tacoma WA
today and he said he has to change his frequently. I never thunk!
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
Kim wrote>>
My 2 electric kilns are in a room attached to the studio with an outside
door between my workspace and the kilns. I figured the kilns were vented
ok...only I have to open the door a crack so the ventilation fans can suck
air from somewhere. Had a detector in the ceiling but it needs the
replacement which costs $25 if I can find it at all. I put that task on my
to do eventually list.
Well happy me was working on a few things outside of the kiln room. Gee, it
was early morning...whew must not have slept well...I feel so tired...maybe
I'll just put my head on my forearm on the table and close my eyes...just a
few minutes...there I'll just doze a minute...
YEOW thankfully the expired EMT (emergency medical technician) training
surfaced from the cobwebs of consciousness and my brain screamed, "GET THE
H*** OUT OF HERE". Good thing the body responded, not gracefully by any
means but it did respond. I had a wicked headache the rest of the day but
I'm still boppin' around. Carbon Monoxide is NO joke. Guess getting that
battery thingie is higher on the ole priority list now!
Kim Marie
in Spafford NY
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Earl Brunner on fri 19 oct 01
I think that carbon monoxide is tasteless and odorless. However, in a=20
gas kiln, the incomplete combustion of the fuel will give a smell that=20
is mainly a smell of the unburned fuel, which could be and probably is,=20
an indicator that carbon monoxide is present. In an electric kiln you=20
have a little different situation. There is that "electric element=20
smell" (is that ozone?) and there is the possible smell of organics from=20
the clay and glazes being burned. This may or may not give you carbon=20
monoxide, the question of the possible harmful affects of the fumes from=20
an electric kiln are the primary reason that people use exhaust systems=20
to remove the fumes from enclosed spaces.
heloisareis wrote:
> Hello clayartists!
> I've been reading about carbon monoxide and I am wondering if this gas =
is
> the cause for a rather unpleasant smell that comes out of the electric =
kiln
> just at the former 2 hours of the burnng process?...
> Thanks
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Cindy Strnad on fri 19 oct 01
Dear Leia,
Carbon Monoxide is odorless. That's one reason
it's so dangerous. You are likely smelling sulfur,
which also is not a good thing to breathe. If you
are smelling the sulfur, then other things are
also getting into your air--things you may not be
able to smell but which can hurt you. Check into
venting your kiln, or vacate the premises while
firing.
Best wishes,
Cindy Strnad
Earthen Vessels Pottery
RR 1, Box 51
Custer, SD 57730
USA
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Kim Marie on fri 19 oct 01
My 2 electric kilns are in a room attached to the studio with an outside
door between my workspace and the kilns. I figured the kilns were vented
ok...only I have to open the door a crack so the ventilation fans can suck
air from somewhere. Had a detector in the ceiling but it needs the
replacement which costs $25 if I can find it at all. I put that task on my
to do eventually list.
Well happy me was working on a few things outside of the kiln room. Gee, it
was early morning...whew must not have slept well...I feel so tired...maybe
I'll just put my head on my forearm on the table and close my eyes...just a
few minutes...there I'll just doze a minute...
YEOW thankfully the expired EMT (emergency medical technician) training
surfaced from the cobwebs of consciousness and my brain screamed, "GET THE
H*** OUT OF HERE". Good thing the body responded, not gracefully by any
means but it did respond. I had a wicked headache the rest of the day but
I'm still boppin' around. Carbon Monoxide is NO joke. Guess getting that
battery thingie is higher on the ole priority list now!
Kim Marie
in Spafford NY
heloisareis on fri 19 oct 01
Hello clayartists!
I've been reading about carbon monoxide and I am wondering if this gas i=
s
the cause for a rather unpleasant smell that comes out of the electric ki=
ln
just at the former 2 hours of the burnng process?...
Thanks
"Paz!"
=C9 preciso entender a Arte Contempor=E2nea?
Nova DICA SOBRE ARTE CONTEMPOR=C2NEA
Leia em
http://www.atelierheloisareis.art.br
Michael A. Costanzo on fri 19 oct 01
Hi,
Yes it is no joke! I was poisoned for 3 years by LOW LEVELS of CO
poisoning. It was only in the winter time when the house was closed up and
the furnace running. I'd get head aches, inflamed sinus problems, drugged
sleepyness feeling, and vomiting non stop for like 3 days strait. Then I
would get better for a couple of weeks then wham, the whole routine all over
again. Yes we had detecters, but the low levels didn't set them off. Found
out later that the furance had a cracked heat exchange and gobs of black
crap bulit up all over the place. Just enough to make me sick all the time
but not enough to kill for the time being or to set off the detectors. The
furnace was fixed and low and behold the "sickness" is gone too. There are
problems left behind that I may have to live with for the rest of my life.
Bad concentration, no energy, depresion, ect. So folks, keep your furnaces
and kilns in good working order and vented! Just because your detectors
aren't going off, doesn't mean you are going to be rpoblem free!
Be safe!
Michael Costanzo
----- Original Message -----
From: Kim Marie
To:
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 4:39 AM
Subject: carbon monoxide
> My 2 electric kilns are in a room attached to the studio with an outside
> door between my workspace and the kilns. I figured the kilns were vented
> ok...only I have to open the door a crack so the ventilation fans can suck
> air from somewhere. Had a detector in the ceiling but it needs the
> replacement which costs $25 if I can find it at all. I put that task on
my
> to do eventually list.
>
> Well happy me was working on a few things outside of the kiln room. Gee,
it
> was early morning...whew must not have slept well...I feel so
tired...maybe
> I'll just put my head on my forearm on the table and close my eyes...just
a
> few minutes...there I'll just doze a minute...
>
> YEOW thankfully the expired EMT (emergency medical technician) training
> surfaced from the cobwebs of consciousness and my brain screamed, "GET THE
> H*** OUT OF HERE". Good thing the body responded, not gracefully by any
> means but it did respond. I had a wicked headache the rest of the day but
> I'm still boppin' around. Carbon Monoxide is NO joke. Guess getting that
> battery thingie is higher on the ole priority list now!
>
> Kim Marie
> in Spafford NY
>
>
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Ron Roy on tue 23 oct 01
There is a way to check to see if your vent system is working - open a
window a bit - start your vent system - hold a match at the open - top spy
hole - if the system is pulling - the flame should be drawn into the spy
hole - not a lot but definitly drawn in - smoke will work as well.
Takes a moment - before you turn on the kiln - should be part of the
routine - don't leave the matches on top of the kiln.
RR
>Last week I was cleaning up the studio and noticed the aluminum ducting for
>my vent was corroded in many places and had a number of holes in it! I have
>been wondering why, in spite of all my efforts to ensure the kiln vent was
>operating correctly, there were still strong odors in the studio.
>Fortunately I don't spend a lot of time in the studio when firing.
>Check your ducting! I mentioned it to Joe at Clay Art Center in Tacoma WA
>today and he said he has to change his frequently. I never thunk!
>
>Gayle Bair
>Bainbridge Island, WA
>http://claybair.com
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Christena Schafale on tue 23 oct 01
Actually, this only tells you that the fan is pulling air through the kiln
-- it doesn't tell you when your ductwork is full of holes and all the
fumes are leaking into your workspace. Need to get down on my belly and
check that myself....
Chris
At 12:26 AM 10/23/01 -0400, you wrote:
>There is a way to check to see if your vent system is working - open a
>window a bit - start your vent system - hold a match at the open - top spy
>hole - if the system is pulling - the flame should be drawn into the spy
>hole - not a lot but definitly drawn in - smoke will work as well.
>
>Takes a moment - before you turn on the kiln - should be part of the
>routine - don't leave the matches on top of the kiln.
>
>RR
>
>
> >Last week I was cleaning up the studio and noticed the aluminum ducting for
> >my vent was corroded in many places and had a number of holes in it! I have
> >been wondering why, in spite of all my efforts to ensure the kiln vent was
> >operating correctly, there were still strong odors in the studio.
> >Fortunately I don't spend a lot of time in the studio when firing.
> >Check your ducting! I mentioned it to Joe at Clay Art Center in Tacoma WA
> >today and he said he has to change his frequently. I never thunk!
> >
> >Gayle Bair
> >Bainbridge Island, WA
> >http://claybair.com
>
>Ron Roy
>RR# 4
>15084 Little Lake Rd..
>Brighton,
>Ontario, Canada
>KOK 1H0
>Residence 613-475-9544
>Studio 613-475-3715
>Fax 613-475-3513
>
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John Baymore on wed 24 oct 01
There is a way to check to see if your vent system is working - open a
window a bit - start your vent system - hold a match at the open - top sp=
y
hole - if the system is pulling - the flame should be drawn into the spy
hole - not a lot but definitly drawn in - smoke will work as well.
Great suggestion, Ron.
When I go to check out someone's kiln venting stuff I use a simple smoke
test too. While there are devices made for this that generate "official
smoke" for the HVAC guys, I just use a stick of lit incence. Works O=
K
for a basic test to see which way the air is moving, how fast, and how fa=
r
out of the "capture zone" the flow is actually reaching.
I have found that jasmine works best .
Best,
..............................john
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Edouard Bastarache on fri 19 sep 08
Interesting text on the diagnosis of carbon monoxide poisonning supplied =
by our own "OSHA" in Quebec.
http://www.santepub-mtl.qc.ca/Publication/pdfppm/ppmmarch01.pdf
Gis la revido
Edouard Bastarache
Spertesperantisto
Sorel-Tracy
Quebec
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