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form. concrete use of the golden section (phi)

updated sat 14 apr 01

 

iandol on wed 11 apr 01


Dear Aley,
No, I do not. But I will have a look at it when I go on line tomorrow. I =
spend very little "time surfing the net", so unless a kind friend draws =
my attention to a particularly interesting site I remain ignorant of a =
vast amount of knowledge and experience.
This morning I was throwing, developing a series of elementary shapes, =
trying to achieve an approximation of the proportions of the Golden =
Section between the base, the rim and a carination in three quarters of =
a pound of clay.
I find I have a problem to resolve which centres around the proportional =
relationship of rim and base diameters to height in comparison to the =
proportions of height to the location of the carination and the simple =
contour. My intuition (not instinct! That I should be so primitive!) is =
to change the position of the carination and increase the proportion of =
the height to basic cylindrical diameter because with a dia to height =
ratio of 1:: Phi the pot appears squat even though it is taller than it =
is wide. When that structure is achieved, I can apply a selection of =
contours to generate a selection of forms.=20
Thank you for your contribution to this thread.
Best regards,
Ivor.=20

Alps of Culross Studios on thu 12 apr 01


Hmmmmm
My thoughts run to the energies held within this pot and what would happen
if one could use the healing energies of the chackra colours and Reiki
symbols to hold essiantial oils and herbs. I know I would certainly invest
in pots such as these for any of my therapy work.
Aley
Dear Aley,
No, I do not. But I will have a look at it when I go on line tomorrow. I
spend very little "time surfing the net", so unless a kind friend draws my
attention to a particularly interesting site I remain ignorant of a vast
amount of knowledge and experience.
This morning I was throwing, developing a series of elementary shapes,
trying to achieve an approximation of the proportions of the Golden Section
between the base, the rim and a carination in three quarters of a pound of
clay.
I find I have a problem to resolve which centres around the proportional
relationship of rim and base diameters to height in comparison to the
proportions of height to the location of the carination and the simple
contour. My intuition (not instinct! That I should be so primitive!) is to
change the position of the carination and increase the proportion of the
height to basic cylindrical diameter because with a dia to height ratio of
1:: Phi the pot appears squat even though it is taller than it is wide.
When that structure is achieved, I can apply a selection of contours to
generate a selection of forms.
Thank you for your contribution to this thread.
Best regards,
Ivor.

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Brian Molanphy on fri 13 apr 01


ivor wrote:

> This morning I was throwing, developing a series of elementary shapes,
> trying to achieve an approximation of the proportions of the Golden
> Section between the base, the rim and a carination in three quarters of a
> pound of clay.
> I find I have a problem to resolve which centres around the proportional
> relationship of rim and base diameters to height in comparison to the
> proportions of height to the location of the carination and the simple
> contour. My intuition (not instinct! That I should be so primitive!) is to
> change the position of the carination and increase the proportion of the
> height to basic cylindrical diameter because with a dia to height ratio of
> 1:: Phi the pot appears squat even though it is taller than it is wide.
> When that structure is achieved, I can apply a selection of contours to
> generate a selection of forms.
>
the preceding snip raises three questions.

1.i wonder about the proportion, diameter:height::1:phi. whether or not we
find it an attractive approach, if this proportion is applied when throwing,
will the pot retain it through firing? i am under the impression that a
thrown pot, generally, will shrink more in height than in width. the pot
will sprial down, so to speak, in the direction opposite to that which it
was thrown, or spiralled up. do i understand shrinkage correctly?

2.i also wonder about such a pot looking 'squat', even in the wet state,
before shrinkage. perhaps some of us perceive the proportion of a cylinder
differently than we do that of a rectangular prism. i mean, maybe we judge
the edges with our eyes. so a cylinder with dia:height::1:phi might appear
squat because we are judging the circumference, not the diameter.

3.what is carination?