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sv: re: jurying and pots not made by artist

updated fri 21 apr 00


Alisa and Claus Clausen on thu 20 apr 00

This is getting away from what it was about Mr. Arnoldi's pots that were not
sitting right with me.

For me it has nothing to do with designating them as art or simply appealing=
look at.
It has mostly to do with a person who is not a ceramist working in the =
with expert technical help guiding his hand and the pots through the =
instantaneouly acheiving success and acclaim.

I should note that the fact that Mr. Arnoldi did not make the pots himself =
underlined at the opening. Present were the pottery's owners. Mr. Arnoldi =
many times himself,
that he is not a ceramist. However, the general public who was not at this
opening will not know
that off hand, unless they read a local article about the show or hear it =
of mouth.
I think it is safe to say, persons who do not really understand what it =
takes to
throw a pot, could
easily assume he made the vessels.

The other part of my uneasiness about these pieces, was what Cindy referred =
his =22salesmanship=22
about the whole deal. Suddenly he found clay and he conquered it just like
that. He attacked the
the vessels just like a canvas.

These are different animals and I am not in any way minimalizing the =
or knowledge factor
in make great paintings. However, had Mr. Arnoldi had to make his clay =
and make his clay paints, he would have probably not had instantaneous =

I felt it devalues the technical, craftmanship and wide scope of knowledge =
ceramists must possess
in order to be successful with their attempts.

Funny, today I was buying vacuum bags. You know what was in the window of =
vacuum shop?
Nilfisk vacuum cleaners, Arnoldi addition. Now, how many people think he
actually made the
vacuum cleaner?

Best regards,
Alisa Clausen
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Earl Brunner
Dato: 18. april 2000 21:52
Emne: Re: jurying and pots not made by artist

=3E----------------------------Original message----------------------------
=3ELOL=21 There are some people out there that would question
=3Eyour example of
=3Eof an artist=21 Just because some people say that Warhol is an
=3EYou admit to a difference between handmade and =22decorated=22
=3Epieces. The
=3Epromoters of an exhibit have a right to set what ever
=3Ecriteria they
=3Echoose and the bottom line is that would-be exhibitors
=3Eshould be honest
=3Eand meet the conditions. It the promoters want to do it
=3Eyour way, fine,
=3Ebut nothing says they should, or are required to do so.
=3EKathryn L Farmer wrote:
=3E=3E ----------------------------Original =
=3E=3E As for whether or not decorated pieces constitute art is another =
=3E=3E entirely in my mind. Take Warhol, for example. Most of his work is =
=3E=3E of pre-existing images. Does that mean that the finished result is =
not art?
=3E=3E If I were hosting an art show I would show and jury both totally hand=
=3E=3E pieces and beautifully decorated pieces, but designate them to =
=3E=3E categories and offer separate prizes. After all, isn't the ultimate =
goal to
=3E=3E reward pieces that are beautiful and/or meaningful or moving, or =
=3E=3E art is... ? :-)
=3E=3E Kathryn
=3E=3E Kathryn
=3E=3E ----- Original Message -----
=3E=3E From: =22Barb Lund=22
=3E=3E Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 5:21 PM
=3E=3E Subject: jurying and pots not made by artist
=3E=3E =3E ----------------------------Original =
=3E=3E =3E Alisas story of the decorated factory made pots hit home. I have =
=3E=3E =3E been involved in a juring process involving such a situation. At =
issue is
=3E=3E =3E whether the work=22 counts=22 as hand made pottery if the items =
used are
=3E=3E =3E factory made and/or slip cast. It doesn't matter how good the =
=3E=3E =3E is, it is not hand made pottery and telling the public it is, by =
=3E=3E =3E such work in a pottery show, where all work must be made by the =
=3E=3E =3E artist, is miseducating the public. It may be extrememely good =
=3E=3E =3E but it is not on hand made pots. It does those of us who make =
our own
=3E=3E pots
=3E=3E =3E and then decorate them a great disservice. Most of the public =
can't tell
=3E=3E a
=3E=3E =3E factory pot from a =22real=22 one.
=3E=3E =3E
=3E=3E =3E This issue makes me squirm because we have such an artist locally=
=3E=3E makes
=3E=3E =3E very fine decoated work, but he/she does not make the pots =
=3E=3E =3E
=3E=3E =3E How do the rest of you think?
=3E=3E =3E Barb from Bloomington
=3E=3E =3E Barb Lund
=3E=3E =3E
=3E=3E =3E 520 West 6th St.
=3E=3E =3E Bloomington, In 47404
=3E=3E =3E USA
=3E=3E =3E 812-339-8476
=3E=3E =3E
=3EEarl Brunner