Joyce Lee on sat 15 apr 00
First........major error on my part....when I've sawdust fired, I
burnished the slipped pots in their bonedry form, not bisqued. Don't
know where that came from except that it's been a while since I sawdust
fired. Also, found my info in The Complete Potter, Sawdust Firing by
Karin Hessenberg, ISBN 0-8122-3301-8. My first pot was copied after
(whoops! inspired by) her pot on the cover. Great book; wonderful pots!
Second, a clayarter mentioned very recently ikebana pots and told which
pub had an article on them. After searching for two hours, I cannot find
either the post or the article. Help, please! Thank you. BUT I DID find
Ivor's article in Pottery Making Illustrated (love that magazine) on
making basic teapots, and several other articles which are very timely
for me at the moment.
Joyce
In the Mojave telling Joan in Durban that no, there's no copyright on
signature lines. Some of us started this when Clayart had a thread years
ago suggesting that we add something to each post so that our
international buds might know a bit about our home environments.
Beth Yeatman Spindler on sun 16 apr 00
Hi, Joyce,
It may have been me...about the Ikebana bowls/pots......
was mentioning Lenore Vanderkooi's work ......featured in Pottery Illustrated
about two years ago...maybe three now......the article
has photos and instructions as to how she makes the bowls and
uses bamboo and other natural materials in her work......beautiful
things...........she's a potter in Nashville, TENN.......
Hope this helps..
Beth in the rainy, but still colorful and bloomin' foothills of the Blue
Ridge Mtns of VA!!
mo cain on sun 16 apr 00
Joyce. The article re Ikebana flower bowls/containers was in an early issue
of Pottery Making Illustrated.
mo cain atlga
----- Original Message -----
From: Joyce Lee
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 7:18 PM
Subject: Sawdust/Ikebana
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> First........major error on my part....when I've sawdust fired, I
> burnished the slipped pots in their bonedry form, not bisqued. Don't
> know where that came from except that it's been a while since I sawdust
> fired. Also, found my info in The Complete Potter, Sawdust Firing by
> Karin Hessenberg, ISBN 0-8122-3301-8. My first pot was copied after
> (whoops! inspired by) her pot on the cover. Great book; wonderful pots!
>
> Second, a clayarter mentioned very recently ikebana pots and told which
> pub had an article on them. After searching for two hours, I cannot find
> either the post or the article. Help, please! Thank you. BUT I DID find
> Ivor's article in Pottery Making Illustrated (love that magazine) on
> making basic teapots, and several other articles which are very timely
> for me at the moment.
>
> Joyce
> In the Mojave telling Joan in Durban that no, there's no copyright on
> signature lines. Some of us started this when Clayart had a thread years
> ago suggesting that we add something to each post so that our
> international buds might know a bit about our home environments.
>
Geoff Walker on sun 16 apr 00
G'day Joyce,
I have never heard of burnishing bisqued pots even if they do have raw slip
on them. Seems peculiar to me, but then again I haven't done a pit firing
for at least 15 years or maybe even more! One trick I do know, though, is
that burnishing when the surface is all but dry but brushed with diesel fuel
(diesolene?) can make life a lot easier and less frustrating. It also saves
the wrists. Discovered this by accident ... a fortuitous leak!
Geoff the long-term lurker from down under.
Joyce Lee wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> First........major error on my part....when I've sawdust fired, I
> burnished the slipped pots in their bonedry form, not bisqued. Don't
> know where that came from except that it's been a while since I sawdust
> fired. Also, found my info in The Complete Potter, Sawdust Firing by
> Karin Hessenberg, ISBN 0-8122-3301-8. My first pot was copied after
> (whoops! inspired by) her pot on the cover. Great book; wonderful pots!
ferenc jakab on sun 16 apr 00
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joyce Lee"
To:
Sent: Sunday, 16 April 2000 12:18 pm
Subject: Sawdust/Ikebana
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> First........major error on my part....when I've sawdust fired, I
> burnished the slipped pots in their bonedry form, not bisqued.
Joyce,
I might have the bull by the horns and not understand your post completely
but I've always burnished when the clay is just past leather hard and then
reburnished as the clay dries. If I then try to burnish when the clay is
bone dry I find the surface crumbles or becomes dusty. Do you actually get a
high burnish with bone dry clay?
Feri.
Joyce Lee on mon 17 apr 00
You know, Feri, now I really have confused myself. It's been awhile
since I've sawdust fired and I'm not sure when I apply the slip and
burnish. Vince is the one who taught me and I think I always after that
followed what he suggested, usually with detailed, complete written
instructions close by, which I cannot now find ..... don't know where in
the heck I'm
squirreling all that stuff away ... so Vince is the one to respond, if I
haven't confused him thoroughly, too. What you say sounds correct, but I
am easily influenced by the last person to whom I've listened, so I'm
not too trustworthy ....... wishy-washy is more like it. I'd like to
have my mentee sawdust fire her indians so I'll be anticipating a
response, also ..... much better than I could give. Ought to just keep
my mouth shut before my betters.
Joyce
In the Mojave
WHew536674@cs.com on mon 17 apr 00
Feri,
I'm not sure which Joyce you are addressing this question to, but since I
recently posted something about burnishing dry pots, I'll assume it is me.
Yes. I used to burnish like you. Then I read (on Clayart I think) about
someone burnishing dry. I'll try anything just about once, even though I was
suspect. My class was doing pinch pots to burnish, so I got the jump on
them, and let one dry out totally. Took some vegetable oil, put it all over
the piece, let it soak in, then took a sponge and dampened an area of the
pot, burnished it, and to my surprise it worked like a charm, even on
somewhat gritty stoneware clay, which I never burnish. The nice thing about
it is that it cut burnishing time in one-third, and there were no burnishing
marks on it that I used to get on leather hard clay.
Try it!
Joyce A.
Mission, TX
Sheron Roberts on mon 17 apr 00
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I was taught to burnish
leatherhard pots with polished
agates, the back of a spoon
or anything that would leave
as few marks as possible.
Then at John Campbell last
year we, classmates and
myself, experimented with
burnishing bone dry.
First we allowed the pot to dry.
Since most were handbuilding
these pots, they sanded them
with fine sandpaper to smooth
out any bumps or dimples.
Then we re-wet the pots in small
patches, burnishing each
patch until it was smooth
and shiny. Some of the
students used olive oil.
Some burnished, re-wetting
with water, then went back
over the pot again burnishing
this time with olive oil.
I stopped with
the first re-wetting and was
very pleased. Seemed the
burnishing was not as tedious,
went rather fast, and the
finished piece looked like
a beautiful piece of bone or
antler. I should add we were
using white earthenware, firing
to 06 in an electric kiln. Then
we took the pieces out to a pit
laid them on a grate on which
hemlock and other small branches
and grasses had been laid. Under
the grate was shredded newspaper.
When this was lit, the newspaper
burned quickly, smoking the pots
and leaving, if we were lucky,
the outline of the hemlock or
leaves used.
The class including the teacher
was composed of women. We
worked together, exchanged stories
and fired our pots with all the
excitement and expectancy of
mothers to be.
The day we smoked the pots,
(yes we had fun with some
of the folks at breakfast that
morning when they asked us about
viewing our work. We told them we
had to smoke the pots first) we all
agreed that these pots were too
special to sell, so much had gone
into their making. Instead we would
give them as gifts to the special
people in our lives.
Now at home, I use this method
to burnish my pots. I am still
experimenting with the firings,
but those that have survived have
been pleasing.
Sheron in NC still making
goo-goo eyes at her new
raku pots.
Huske Christina on mon 17 apr 00
Look through your PMI's you'll find Ikebana vases that stand on bamboo legs.
They are FUN to make, although the legs are a bit of a pain to get on. Have
fun.
-
vince pitelka on tue 18 apr 00
Joyce -
I have not followed all of this post, so I am not sure what the question is.
In my ancient clay workshops we apply the terra sig to bone-dry pots, which
sometimes have been sanded. For very small pots, we just go ahead and
burnish or polish with the introduced moisture of the terra sig. For larger
pieces, they can still be polished (with a piece of grocery-bag plastic)
from the introduced moisture from the terra sig. But if you want to burnish
larger pieces, you really need to use some kind of oil or grease. I have
had best luck with a thin but thorough smear-coat of lard, but some people
are offended by lard (hell, I don't eat the stuff), and they can use Crisco.
I have also heard of people using olive oil, glycerin, vegetable oil, etc.
Whatever works for you. And whichever you use, let it soak in so the
surface is not greasy to the touch, and then start burnishing. Initially it
may seem like you are just smearing things around, but actually you are
compressing and consolidating the surface, and pretty soon the shine will
begin to appear. Even on burnished pots I like to give them a final
rub-over with the grocery-bag plastic. That can give a shine almost like
glass.
Best wishes -
- Vince
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> You know, Feri, now I really have confused myself. It's been awhile
> since I've sawdust fired and I'm not sure when I apply the slip and
> burnish. Vince is the one who taught me and I think I always after that
> followed what he suggested, usually with detailed, complete written
> instructions close by, which I cannot now find ..... don't know where in
> the heck I'm
> squirreling all that stuff away ... so Vince is the one to respond, if I
> haven't confused him thoroughly, too. What you say sounds correct, but
> I am easily influenced by the last person to whom I've listened, so I'm
> not too trustworthy ....... wishy-washy is more like it. I'd like to
> have my mentee sawdust fire her indians so I'll be anticipating a
> response, also ..... much better than I could give. Ought to just keep
> my mouth shut before my betters.
Vince Pitelka
Home - vpitelka@dekalb.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
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