Rikki Gill on thu 6 aug 98
I recently saw some
gimson vb vi plate setters [at least that was what was marked on them] in
someones studio. They have detachable feet and go to cone 11. I was told
that they were purchased from somewhere in North Carolina. Can someone
help me find them? I dont care where I get them from particularly. I
heard they were about $15 and shipping, .Any help would be much
appreciated, and also comments pro and con. Thanks, Rikki
Jonathan Kaplan on fri 7 aug 98
>Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:44:02 -0700
>To:rikigil@jps.net
>From:jonathan@csn.net (Jonathan Kaplan)
>Subject:Re: plate setters
>
>>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>>I recently saw some
>>gimson vb vi plate setters [at least that was what was marked on them] in
>>someones studio. They have detachable feet and go to cone 11. I was told
>>that they were purchased from somewhere in North Carolina. Can someone
>>help me find them? I dont care where I get them from particularly. I
>>heard they were about $15 and shipping, .Any help would be much
>>appreciated, and also comments pro and con. Thanks, Rikki
>
>We have used Gimson/Diamond VB setters for as long as I can remember. We
>have lots of them in all diameters and sizes of detatchable.
>
>We have fired these for years to cone 10 and they are still in mint condition.
>
>Our first load of setters came direct from Gimson. The last load came with
>some shelves from Acme Marls via Dave McCuen in Ohio.
>
>You can purchase these from High Water clays in NorthCarolina.
>
>Jonathan
Jonathan Kaplan, president jonathan@csn.net
http://www.sni.net/ceramicdesign/
Ceramic Design Group Ltd./Production Services
PO Box 775112
Steamboat Springs CO 80477
(USPS deliveries only)
Plant Location
1280 13th Street Unit 13
Steamboat Springs CO 80487
( UPS, courier, and common carrier deliveries)
(970) 879-9139*voice and fax
http://www.sni.net/ceramicdesign/
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Ilene Mahler on fri 7 aug 98
Baily ceramics did carry them up to at least 10... Ilene
At 09:22 AM 8/6/98 EDT, Rikki Gill wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>I recently saw some
>gimson vb vi plate setters [at least that was what was marked on them] in
>someones studio. They have detachable feet and go to cone 11. I was told
>that they were purchased from somewhere in North Carolina. Can someone
>help me find them? I dont care where I get them from particularly. I
>heard they were about $15 and shipping, .Any help would be much
>appreciated, and also comments pro and con. Thanks, Rikki
>
>
Carl meigs on sat 8 aug 98
Also, check out Highwater Clays in Ashville,NC
Carl
At 08:28 AM 8/7/98 EDT, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Baily ceramics did carry them up to at least 10... Ilene
>
>
>At 09:22 AM 8/6/98 EDT, Rikki Gill wrote:
>>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>>I recently saw some
>>gimson vb vi plate setters [at least that was what was marked on them] in
>>someones studio. They have detachable feet and go to cone 11. I was told
>>that they were purchased from somewhere in North Carolina. Can someone
>>help me find them? I dont care where I get them from particularly. I
>>heard they were about $15 and shipping, .Any help would be much
>>appreciated, and also comments pro and con. Thanks, Rikki
>>
>>
>
>
meigs@neca.com
Earl Brunner on thu 21 sep 00
I thought the idea I want to explain was in Getting into
Pots by the Wettlaufers, but I can't find it in their book,
so now I don't know where I saw it. (just found it, it's in
Studio Potter winter 1974/75 volume 3 number 2 page 11. in
an article about the slab work of Jeanne Giberson Judson)
What I saw (where ever it was) was some L shaped pieces
extruded out of an extruder from a hi-fire mixture and
turned on their sides. They were placed around the edge of
the plates or platters so that the footrim was supported.
Care has to be taken so that the supports are lined up one
on top of the other.
Nancy Galland wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a source for plate setters that will hold and stack
> plates that are 12.5 inches long, 9 inches wide (oblong)?
>
> Also, does anyone know of a reasonably priced liquid wax resist that comes
> in bulk?
>
> Thanks -
> Nancy Galland, Live Edge Studios
>
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Nancy Galland on thu 21 sep 00
Does anyone know of a source for plate setters that will hold and stack
plates that are 12.5 inches long, 9 inches wide (oblong)?
Also, does anyone know of a reasonably priced liquid wax resist that comes
in bulk?
Thanks -
Nancy Galland, Live Edge Studios
Alyss Dorese on fri 22 sep 00
Laguna Clay has plate sitters that accomodate any size. They come in three's, shaped
like "L"s and interlock in stacks. The rim of the plate rests on them. I believe
they are high fire. Check Laguna's catalogue.
Alyss Dorese
Chris Schafale on sat 23 sep 00
I don't know if we are talking about the same thing, but I was sold
some plate setters that fit this description. They have a point, like
a stilt, on which the plate's rim rests. Seems like a reasonable
concept. I tried them, at cone 6. Unfortunately, I found that my
plates, whose rims were rather thin, came out looking like
something in a fun-house mirror. Not quite as wavy as potato
chips, but you get the idea. I kept the plates, because they make
me laugh, but they weren't quite what the customer wanted. I don't
use those plate setters anymore....
Chris
> Laguna Clay has plate sitters that accomodate any size. They come in three's, shaped
> like "L"s and interlock in stacks. The rim of the plate rests on them. I believe
> they are high fire. Check Laguna's catalogue.
>
> Alyss Dorese
>
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Jonathan Kaplan on sat 23 sep 00
Some time ago I posted information regarding plate setters on this list.
Perhaps it still exists in the archives.
Plate setters are devices that allow the vertical stacking of plates and
other ceramic objects. These are primarily used in industry and are now
available through many distributers to potters.
They are ususally cordierite and come in many varied configuations both for
diameters as well as height. The setters support the feet of the ware. Pin
setters are used to support the rims of plates for decal/luster firing. The
setters that you are refering to are designed for glaze firing. The setters
can have integral feet or adjustable feet, and are usually of an "open"
configuration, allowing kiln atmosphere to contact the ware. Saggers are
usually of closed configuration.
We use VB setters from Gimson imported from England. We use sizes ranging
from saucer sizes to platters. We can vary the heights from 1/2" to about
6" between setter plates. These have been fired for years to cone 10 and
there is no warpage. I don't know of any supply houses having these type of
setters. The ones I have seen are primarily the ones that have integral
feet. In fact I sam some from the Mexican refractories company and they
were big, had integral feet, and I was not very impressed with their
manufacture.
Setters allow for greater stacking ability for tableware and other items
that easily fit. Because of their cordierite compositions, they are suited
to fast fire.
Jonathan
Jonathan Kaplan, president
Ceramic Design Group
PO Box 775112
Steamboat Springs CO 80477
voice and fax 970 879-9139
jonathan@csn,net
http://www.sni.net/ceramicdesigin
Plant Location:
1280 13th Street Unit 13
Steamboat Springs CO 80487
(please use this address for all deliveries via UPS, comman carrier, FEd
Ex, etc.)
Cindy Strnad on sat 23 sep 00
Those plate setters which support only the rims are, I believe, meant for
low-fire. For higher temps. you want those that support the entire base of
the plate. Unfortunately, I haven't seen any of these in a rectangular or
oblong shape, as was requested by the original poster.
Cindy Strnad
Earthen Vessels Pottery
RR 1, Box 51
Custer, SD 57730
USA
earthenv@gwtc.net
www.earthenvesselssd.com
Rikki Gill on sun 24 sep 00
I have had experience with three types of plate setters. One type, with
integral feet came from mud brothers in texas, made in mexico. After a
while they sagged [at cone 10]. Another type , the gimson can be purchased
from highwater in n.c., but they erroniously told me to permenently attach
the feet, which ruined them, becouse to protect them you flip them over each
firing. Now I use acme marls from clay art in washington. It takes a bit of
time to place the three feet each time, but they are flat. They are also
gimson, made specially for acme marls but of a high alumina formular.. All
these companies have adds in ceramic monthly. Hope this helps Rikki in
Berkeley
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Kaplan
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Date: Saturday, September 23, 2000 3:54 PM
Subject: Plate Setters. Hope this
>Some time ago I posted information regarding plate setters on this list.
>Perhaps it still exists in the archives.
>
>Plate setters are devices that allow the vertical stacking of plates and
>other ceramic objects. These are primarily used in industry and are now
>available through many distributers to potters.
>
>They are ususally cordierite and come in many varied configuations both for
>diameters as well as height. The setters support the feet of the ware. Pin
>setters are used to support the rims of plates for decal/luster firing. The
>setters that you are refering to are designed for glaze firing. The setters
>can have integral feet or adjustable feet, and are usually of an "open"
>configuration, allowing kiln atmosphere to contact the ware. Saggers are
>usually of closed configuration.
>
>We use VB setters from Gimson imported from England. We use sizes ranging
>from saucer sizes to platters. We can vary the heights from 1/2" to about
>6" between setter plates. These have been fired for years to cone 10 and
>there is no warpage. I don't know of any supply houses having these type of
>setters. The ones I have seen are primarily the ones that have integral
>feet. In fact I sam some from the Mexican refractories company and they
>were big, had integral feet, and I was not very impressed with their
>manufacture.
>
>Setters allow for greater stacking ability for tableware and other items
>that easily fit. Because of their cordierite compositions, they are suited
>to fast fire.
>
>Jonathan
>
>Jonathan Kaplan, president
>Ceramic Design Group
>PO Box 775112
>Steamboat Springs CO 80477
>voice and fax 970 879-9139
>jonathan@csn,net
>http://www.sni.net/ceramicdesigin
>
>Plant Location:
>1280 13th Street Unit 13
>Steamboat Springs CO 80487
>(please use this address for all deliveries via UPS, comman carrier, FEd
>Ex, etc.)
>
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___
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Cindy Strnad on mon 4 dec 00
Hi, Nancy.
You'll love the plate setters. They make it much more likely you'll have no
cracks, etc., as the bottoms of the plates will be less insulated than on
shelves. Don't yield to the temptation to stack too many plates together on
one setter, though. I might do three, if they are very graduated in size,
but I make my plates quite thin.
Cindy Strnad
Earthen Vessels Pottery
RR 1, Box 51
Custer, SD 57730
USA
earthenv@gwtc.net
http://www.earthenvesselssd.com
Nancy Galland on mon 4 dec 00
I will be glaze firing in an electric kiln using plate setters for the
first time - does anyone have words of advice/caitopn, etc? My plate
setters have a large hole in the middle, are circular with 3 built-in legs
aroung the rim. Thanks fro any advice - Nancy
Cat Jarosz on mon 4 dec 00
Nancy best advise I can give you with plate setters is to x them with a
pencil when you unload them from the kiln ( the side the plate was sitting
on ) and that will remind you for the next time that you flip it over to
the side that doesnt have the x .... if you flip each time they will last
longer... something I learned the hard way :o/ hope thats some help ..
the rest is just elementary ... cat jarosz
Arnold Howard on tue 5 dec 00
What type of plate setter are you referring to: the type that holds the
plates in the kiln vertically or layers them horizontally?
Which type of plate setter is better?
Thanks,
Arnold Howard
Paragon
--- Cat Jarosz wrote:
> Nancy best advise I can give you with plate setters is to x them with
> a
> pencil when you unload them from the kiln ( the side the plate was
> sitting
> on ) and that will remind you for the next time that you flip it over
> to
> the side that doesnt have the x .... if you flip each time they will
> last
> longer... something I learned the hard way :o/ hope thats some help
> ..
> the rest is just elementary ... cat jarosz
>
>
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Gwyn Ace on thu 28 jun 01
As I understand it.. most plate setters and stilts etc. are made for =
commercial potteries which fire a high biscuit and a lower glaze =
temperature.They are therefore not useful to useful for firings where =
the final and glaze firing is the highest as the pot would not be fully =
supported. A disk which fully supports the base or foot..would be =
useful. Some potters make a flat shrinkage platform at the same time as =
the pot and use it throughout the firings..possibly with a little grog =
underneath..so that the foot ring is fully supported at all times..this =
would be particularly important for a pot with legs.
Leave most stilts or bars to the factory where they belong.
GWYN in N.Z.
Martin Howard on thu 28 jun 01
I see the point that Gwyn is making.
If though, like me, you use the same settings for bisque as well as glaze
firings and for once only firing, there is no problem with the metal stilts
for plates or anything where you need to glaze the base.
The only point at issue then is how many tiny points of contact can your
surface take?
A large house name sign about 18 inches across sitting on three x three
pointed stilts came out without any warping at all, and it even went across
a join between two shelves. Perhaps I would have had problems if firing
higher. I only go to cone 3 maximum.
Martin Howard
Webb's Cottage Pottery
Woolpits Road, Great Saling
BRAINTREE, Essex CM7 5DZ
England
martin@webbscottage.co.uk
http://www.webbscottage.co.uk
Brenda Phillips on wed 3 dec 08
I ordered plate setters from John at Orton Ceramics. I used one and the =
plate under it totally shattered. It was a plate that I was refiring, =
so it made it through the first firing just find except that I did not =
like the way the glazing came out. Has anyone else had this experience =
with plate setters? I'm hesitant to try it again.
Thanks,=20
Brenda from Manchester
Mayssan Farra on wed 3 dec 08
Hello Brenda:=0A=0AI do not use plate setters, but I did have that experien=
ce with a flat tray that I fired a second time with some added glaze, and w=
hen I opened the kiln there was a gap of 2" between the two pieces it becam=
e, never figured out what made it sorta explode apart, so maybe it is not t=
he setter's fault and then again maybe it is :)=0A=A0=0AMayssan Shora Farra=
=0Ahttp://www.clayvillepottery.com=0Ahttp://clayette.blogspot.com=0A=0A=0A=
=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Brenda Phillips =0A=0AI ordered plat=
e setters from John at Orton Ceramics.=A0 I used one and the plate under it=
totally shattered.=A0 It was=A0 a plate that I was refiring, so it made it=
through the first firing just find except that I did not like the way the =
glazing came out.=A0 Has anyone else had this experience with plate setters=
?=A0 I'm hesitant to try it again.=0A=0AThanks, =0ABrenda from Manchester=
=0A=0A=0A=0A
David Hendley on wed 3 dec 08
My experience has been that refiring plates results in a
high failure rate. With larger platters, the failure rate is
close to 100%. The plates are cracked into 2 or more pieces,
with sharp breaks, indicating that the cracking happened
during cooling. Plate setters are irrelevant to the phenomenon.
Maybe Ivor or one of the more technical-leaning among
us can explain why bottles and vases can be successfully
refired, but refired plates, made with the same claybody
and fired to the same schedule, quite often break.
David Hendley
Maydelle, Texas
david(at)farmpots(dot)com
http://www.farmpots.com
----- Original Message -----
I ordered plate setters from John at Orton Ceramics. I used one and the
plate under it totally shattered. It was a plate that I was refiring, so
it made it through the first firing just find except that I did not like the
way the glazing came out. Has anyone else had this experience with plate
setters? I'm hesitant to try it again.
Rikki Gill on tue 13 apr 10
Hi All,
I have used plate setters in my kiln for years now. Every few years I =3D
need to buy some new ones. I have been looking for my faves and I can't =
=3D
find them now. The ones I use are flat, have three extended arms and =3D
three small pieces fit into the end of the three arms to support them. =3D
They stack well, and they fire to cone 10 +.
If anyone knows where to buy them, I would greatly appreciate finding =3D
out where they can be bought. I live in the San Francisco Bay area,=3D20
but I am not able to find them locally. If need be, I'll have them =3D
shipped from wherever. =3D20
I'd also appreciate hearing about plate setters that are different, but =3D
you use them and like them. =3D20
Thanks,
Rikki Gill
rikigil@sbcglobal.net
www.rikkigillceramics.com
Steve Slatin on wed 14 apr 10
It sounds like you're describing the Dysons I bought at Tacoma
Clay Art Center.=3DA0 I don't know if they still carry them, but you
can call them on 1 800 952-8030.
Steve Slatin --=3D20
--- On Tue, 4/13/10, Rikki Gill wrote:
From: Rikki Gill
Subject: plate setters
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 8:37 PM
Hi All,
I have used plate setters in my kiln for years now.=3DA0 Every few years I =
ne=3D
ed to buy some new ones.=3DA0 I have been looking for my faves and I can't =
fi=3D
nd them now.=3DA0 The ones I use are flat, have three extended arms and thr=
ee=3D
small pieces fit into the end of the three arms to support them.=3DA0 They=
s=3D
tack well, and they fire to cone 10 +.
If anyone knows where to buy them, I would greatly=3DA0 appreciate finding =
ou=3D
t where they can be bought.=3DA0 I live in the San Francisco Bay area,=3D20
but I am not=3DA0 able to find them locally.=3DA0 If need be, I'll have the=
m sh=3D
ipped from wherever.=3DA0=3D20
I'd also appreciate hearing about plate setters that are different, but you=
=3D
use them and like them.=3DA0=3D20
Thanks,
Rikki Gill
rikigil@sbcglobal.net
www.rikkigillceramics.com
=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A
Rikki Gill on wed 14 apr 10
Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about plate setters.
I am very happy to have found what I have been looking for.
Best to all,
Rikki Gill
rikigil@sbcglobal.net
www.rikkigillceramics.com
Richard Aerni on wed 14 apr 10
Hello Rikki,
I believe I know exactly the ones you are talking about. I use them in =3D
my studio too. I ordered more last year, and found them at two =3D
places...Highwater Clay in Ashville, NC (where I've always ordered them =3D
from) and I believe they were also sold at a place called Georgie's (??) =
=3D
in Oregon or Washington, on the west coast. =3D20
The ones I've used are definitely for cone 10...you can order the props =3D
separately, and the good thing about them is that the props come in all =3D
different kinds of sizes, so that you can keep them low for plates, a =3D
bit higher for pasta plates, higher still for low bowls, etc... There =3D
are others out there that look about the same, but don't seem to hold up =
=3D
as well over time, at cone 10.
Good luck!
Richard
Hi All,
I have used plate setters in my kiln for years now. Every few years I =3D
need to
buy some new ones. I have been looking for my faves and I can't find =3D
them now.=3D20
The ones I use are flat, have three extended arms and three small pieces =
=3D
fit
into the end of the three arms to support them. They stack well, and =3D
they fire
to cone 10 +.
If anyone knows where to buy them, I would greatly appreciate finding =3D
out where
they can be bought. I live in the San Francisco Bay area,
but I am not able to find them locally. If need be, I'll have them =3D
shipped
from wherever.
I'd also appreciate hearing about plate setters that are different, but =3D
you use
them and like them.
Thanks,
Rikki Gill
Richard Aerni
Rochester, NY =3D20
www.richardaerni.com
Rikki Gill on thu 15 apr 10
Hi All,
I Have decided to order my platesetters from Clay Art center in Tacoma =
=3D
washington. They also have the ones I want at Highwater Clay in =3D
Ashville N.C.
They both have the same exact setter, but I think the shipping fees =3D
will be less at a closer point. I have tried other shelves, but these =3D
have stood up well to many many firings without warping.
Best to all,
Rikki
----- Original Message -----=3D20
From: Birgit Wright=3D20
To: rikigil@sbcglobal.net=3D20
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 5:14 AM
Subject: RE: plate setters
Hello Rikki; I am glad that you have found what you were looking for =3D
because I would like to know myself where to get some. I have been =3D
thinking about getting plate setters but wasn't sure about what to get. =3D
They are a real investment so I would like to be rather more sure of =3D
their quality before I bother. I sounds like you are happy with what =3D
you have so I would be grateful for the contact information.=3D20
Thanks for your time, Keep well, Birgit Wright
=3D20
> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 19:21:32 -0700
> From: rikigil@SBCGLOBAL.NET
> Subject: plate setters
> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>=3D20
> Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about plate setters.
>=3D20
> I am very happy to have found what I have been looking for.
>=3D20
> Best to all,
>=3D20
> Rikki Gill
>=3D20
> rikigil@sbcglobal.net
> www.rikkigillceramics.com
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C Sullivan on thu 15 apr 10
Mornin Rikki
If you're out here on the west coast, Georgies in Portland, Oregon is
excellent to do business with. They are prompt to deliver orders and very
reliable.
This is where i order my clay and other products and have been very
satisfied with their service.
Someone on the list mentioned that they had what you are looking for.
Just a thought or alternative as the case may be
Chae
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Rikki Gill wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I Have decided to order my platesetters from Clay Art center in Tacoma
> washington. They also have the ones I want at Highwater Clay in Ashville
> N.C.
> They both have the same exact setter, but I think the shipping fees will
> be less at a closer point. I have tried other shelves, but these have st=
ood
> up well to many many firings without warping.
>
> Best to all,
>
> Rikki
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Birgit Wright
> To: rikigil@sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 5:14 AM
> Subject: RE: plate setters
>
>
> Hello Rikki; I am glad that you have found what you were looking for
> because I would like to know myself where to get some. I have been think=
ing
> about getting plate setters but wasn't sure about what to get. They are a
> real investment so I would like to be rather more sure of their quality
> before I bother. I sounds like you are happy with what you have so I wou=
ld
> be grateful for the contact information.
> Thanks for your time, Keep well, Birgit Wright
>
> > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 19:21:32 -0700
> > From: rikigil@SBCGLOBAL.NET
> > Subject: plate setters
> > To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> >
> > Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about plate setters.
> >
> > I am very happy to have found what I have been looking for.
> >
> > Best to all,
> >
> > Rikki Gill
> >
> > rikigil@sbcglobal.net
> > www.rikkigillceramics.com
>
>
>
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