Marley Wolhud on sun 28 jun 98
I have been looking at various tile setters. I have catalogs from
Axner, Bailey and Sheffield. They all seem to offer different types of
tile setters. Does anyone have a recommendation?
Jonathan Kaplan on mon 29 jun 98
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>I have been looking at various tile setters. I have catalogs from
>Axner, Bailey and Sheffield. They all seem to offer different types of
>tile setters. Does anyone have a recommendation?
There are as many different configurations of tile setters as there are tiles.
All the suppliers you mentioned resell setters made by Ferro, New Castle,
and a host of other refractory shape manufacturers.
You will need to decide the size of tile you make and what is availabe in
setter configurations, which could not be a problem. All the setters are
cordierite compostions and can go to high temperaturesm but it is wise to
check with the manufacturer first. Setters can consist of one bay or
multiple bays, and can be successfully stacked. They are open
configurations that suppport the tiles on the edges to allow complete
circulation in the kiln as well as minimum contact of the tile on a
refractory mass.
You may want to check Pacific Ceramics as they deal in used ceramic
equipment and the like.
These items are standard "issue" in the tile industry. Ferro in Ohio has a
very complete selection but may require a set up charge and a minimum item
run.
Good Luck
Jonathan
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Paul Lewing on mon 29 jun 98
Marley,
Depends a lot on what you're doing. I have three kinds of tile
setters that I use for different things.
There are:
1. The kind that look like a box with small shelves sticking out the
interior sides, kind of like a cassette tape holder. These I use for
china paint on commercial tiles, as I know they won't sag during
firing. These are easy to load into the kiln, although heavy when
full. They also have less mass of setter per unit of tile, so your
firing goes faster and uses less energy. I also use these when firing
4" tiles to cone 5, but not the 6" tiles. The 4" ones don't sag.
2. The kind that look like a small kiln shelf with a small leg on each
corner. These I use for the 6" tiles at cone 5, as they support the
tile across the middle. At least they do when they're new. Many of
mine are now warped and I have to put a small ball of clay under the
center of the tile to support it. Even if you use the rack kind (#1)
it's good to have some of these, as the racks inevitably don't stack
up to the same height as the depth of your kiln. When you refire
commercial glazed tiles on these, they are more likely to break than
in the rack kind.
3. The kind that look like the side of one of the #1 kind sawed off.
These you stand the tiles up in at an angle. Probably the least
useful of the three. You can't fire glazes that might run on these,
and you can't have glaze touching where the tile leans on the setter.
I've had some commercial glazed tiles, usually from Mexico, stick to
these in a china paint firing. And if you stack these racks up, they
get kind of shaky. If you don't, you need shelves, which really slows
down your firing. I use these every once in a while to cram a few
more tiles into a china paint firing.
The rack kind is probably the most economical to buy, and the most
convenient to handle, if your tiles don't sag in them. There are
several brands and configurations of these out there. Get the kind
that lets you put the most tiles into the least space.
Paul Lewing, Seattle
DIANA PANCIOLI, ASSOC. PROF. on tue 30 jun 98
We had problems with some tile setters at low temp. They did not have
enough space to accommodate the thickness of the tile and leave enough
room for proper maturation of the glaze. All of the glazes that worked
fine when put on tiles fired on the kiln shelves blistered when fired
in the setters. It happened consistently.
Perhaps someone else has had this experience or knows the answer.
Diana
Cheryl Sculley on tue 30 jun 98
My tile setters came from Bell Research, Inc. All have multiple bays and
can be purchased in 12 or 24 bays. The 4" has 24 bays and the 6" has 12
bays. Each costs $20. plus shipping and handling. I am happy with mine.
The address for Bell Research is:
Bell Research, Inc.
157 Virginia Ave.
Chester, W.V. 26034
(304) 387-2681
FAX: 304-387-2213
Orders: 1-800-872-1148 Ask for a free catalogue Cheryl
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Kaplan
To: Multiple recipients of list CLAYART
Date: Monday, June 29, 1998 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: Tile Setter - what's the best/most convenient/reliable
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>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>I have been looking at various tile setters. I have catalogs from
>Axner, Bailey and Sheffield. They all seem to offer different types of
>tile setters. Does anyone have a recommendation?
There are as many different configurations of tile setters as there are
tiles.
All the suppliers you mentioned resell setters made by Ferro, New Castle,
and a host of other refractory shape manufacturers.
You will need to decide the size of tile you make and what is availabe in
setter configurations, which could not be a problem. All the setters are
cordierite compostions and can go to high temperaturesm but it is wise to
check with the manufacturer first. Setters can consist of one bay or
multiple bays, and can be successfully stacked. They are open
configurations that suppport the tiles on the edges to allow complete
circulation in the kiln as well as minimum contact of the tile on a
refractory mass.
You may want to check Pacific Ceramics as they deal in used ceramic
equipment and the like.
These items are standard "issue" in the tile industry. Ferro in Ohio has a
very complete selection but may require a set up charge and a minimum item
run.
Good Luck
Jonathan
Jonathan Kaplan http://www.sni.net/ceramicdesign/
http://www.ceramicsoftware.com/education/clay/kaplan1.htm
jonathan@csn.net
Ceramic Design Group Ltd./Production Services Voice:
970-879-9139 POB 775112
FAXmodem: same
Steamboat Springs, Colorado 80477, USA CALL before
faxing
Plant Location: 1280 13th Street unit#13 Steamboat Springs Co 80487
(please use this address for all UPS, courier, and common carrier
shipments)
Earl Brunner on wed 1 jul 98
you are firing with the tiles packed a lot denser and if your firing is rapid,
you may not be reaching full maturation of the glaze, in the tile setter.
Soaking at the high end for a bit may correct the problem. Earl Brunner- the
arguement you just won with your wife? ...it isn't over yet.
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