Snail Scott on mon 11 apr 11
> On 11/04/2011 2:20 PM, David Roon wrote:
>> I looking at packing the odd bag off to the landfill, or is there a
>> better/more ethical way to dispose of the material?
I use it for erosion control.
-Snail
David Roon on mon 11 apr 11
Apologies- I know this topic has been thrashed to death on here- but a
survey didn't yield an answer to my specific question..
I've read the discussions RE selling vs. breaking/discarding seconds with=
=3D
great interest, as I'm just getting into production mode and foresee
producing a number of sketchy pots over the next year or so.
Assuming, however, that I generate a certain number of flawed or otherwis=
=3D
e
repulsive pieces, and I smash them...
Some of the sites I've looked at suggest things like 'making mosaics out =
=3D
of
the shards' or 'row markers in the garden'. While these are interesting
ideas, they seem a bit limited in scope.
Any suggestions for useful ways to utilize smashed ceramic ware? If not, =
=3D
am
I looking at packing the odd bag off to the landfill, or is there a
better/more ethical way to dispose of the material?
Thanks.
Steve and Joan Irvine on tue 12 apr 11
David,
I don't sell seconds, so I have the issue of what to do with broken =3D
shards. I've actually been able to recycle almost all of the broken =3D
pieces by giving them to friends who are integrating them into mosaic =3D
projects. For instance, and friend and I have been working on a number =3D
of outdoor projects that have incorporated the shards. Here is a page =3D
about our analemmatic sundial:
http://www.steveirvine.com/sundial.html
Another neighbour is building a bale house, and is incorporating as many =
=3D
shards as I can supply into a gaudi-esque decoration this year:
http://edale.ca/Edale/Photos/Pages/natural_building.html
There are many ways in which the broken shards can be used in =3D
creatively, and some people will see them as a valuable resource if you =3D
can make the connections with them.
Steve Irvine
www.steveirvine.com
Eric Ciup on tue 12 apr 11
Bring your seconds to 1001 Pots, Val David Quebec 15 July to 14 August
> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4123/4817194378_b55f47f2bb.jpg
Great installation, great show.
Eric
On 2:59 PM, David Roon wrote:
>
> Apologies- I know this topic has been thrashed to death on here- but a
> survey didn't yield an answer to my specific question..
>
> I've read the discussions RE selling vs. breaking/discarding seconds with
> great interest, as I'm just getting into production mode and foresee
> producing a number of sketchy pots over the next year or so.
>
> Assuming, however, that I generate a certain number of flawed or otherwis=
e
> repulsive pieces, and I smash them...
>
> Some of the sites I've looked at suggest things like 'making mosaics
> out of
> the shards' or 'row markers in the garden'. While these are interesting
> ideas, they seem a bit limited in scope.
>
> Any suggestions for useful ways to utilize smashed ceramic ware? If
> not, am
> I looking at packing the odd bag off to the landfill, or is there a
> better/more ethical way to dispose of the material?
>
> Thanks.
marci Boskie's Mama =3D^..^=3D on tue 12 apr 11
> David Roon wrote:
>Any suggestions for useful ways to utilize smashed ceramic ware?
if you would be into low fire, there is a product that we
chinapainters use ( several of them actually.. all do the same thing
but with a slightly different post fire flavor ) :
One is called structure paste, another is base for gold , another
is non-ping.
The structure pastes can vary ( some being mat , some shiny , some
will sort of curdle into interesting textures , some are WYSIWIG )
.. base for gold fires shiny , non-ping fires like milk glass when
heavily applied and sheer or clear when applied thinly ( depending
on how thin ) ..
All are basically clay and flux ... and are usually mixed with
water and applied with a palette knife , fired to cone cone 015 (
approximately 1480 F / 800 C ) which matures the paste into a hard
raised texture. Using this as a glue, you can recombine broken pieces
sculpturally ...and it can also be used to adhere pieces of stained
glass or dichroic glass . The pastes can be tinted with china paint
and gold or lusters or chinapaints can be applied over them after
firing as well .
To use the pastes sculpturally , you have to have a way to support
the combined pieces before firing . If they slip in the kiln , they
will fuse that way . It also makes cool jewelry ( some paste dripped
onto a broken piece with a little glass added as a jewel , perhaps a
little gold on the paste in a 2nd firing... and either paste on the
sharp broken edges or grinding them down .. )
I am leaving in the morning for a show in Texas but will be using
my traveling email ( chinapaintgirl@@yahoo.com ) if anyone is
interested in further information ..
marci the chinapainter
pdp1 on tue 12 apr 11
Hi James,
I really like that Pot.
I can see also that it must have been very tedious and dufficult, and
demanding to make!
Really cool idea to do that, but, yeah, eeeeeesh, a Labor of Love ( or a
Labor of inspiration, ) to be sure...
Now, if Potters everywhere,. elected to require THIS of themselves, as thei=
r
sole means of dealing with 'seconds', my guess? They would find renewed
vigor and insight and clearity in process, for acheiving very very very few
'seconds'...
Lol...
Phil
L v
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Freeman"
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 12:20 AM, David Roon wrote:
>
> Any suggestions for useful ways to utilize smashed ceramic ware? If not,
> am
> I looking at packing the odd bag off to the landfill, or is there a
> better/more ethical way to dispose of the material?
>
>
>
>
> David...
>
> I recycled 30 uglies and seconds into this:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesfreemanstudio/4698361960/in/photostream
>
> It stands almost 2 feet tall and is a foot and a half in diameter. Took
> 89
> hours to construct, so not a terribly economically viable proposition.
>
> I am now saving my seconds and uglies for a pique assiette and stone base
> for a very large metal sculpture that I hope to assemble this summer,
> though
> I may have to supplement the seconds with broken commercial tile.
>
> ...James
>
> James Freeman
>
> "...outsider artists, caught in the bog of their own consciousness, too
> preciously idiosyncratic to be taken seriously."
>
> "All I say is by way of discourse, and nothing by way of advice. I shoul=
d
> not speak so boldly if it were my due to be believed."
> -Michel de Montaigne
>
> http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesfreemanstudio/
> http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com/resources
Des & Jan Howard on tue 12 apr 11
David
We crush biscuit & glazed pots, cone plaques, cookies,
etc., to dump in washaways in our driveway, parking
areas & entrance.
Des
On 11/04/2011 2:20 PM, David Roon wrote:
> I looking at packing the odd bag off to the landfill, or is there a
> better/more ethical way to dispose of the material?
--
Des & Jan Howard
Lue Pottery
Lue NSW
Australia
2850
02 6373 6419
www.luepottery.hwy.com.au
-32.656072 149.840624
James Freeman on tue 12 apr 11
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 12:20 AM, David Roon wrote:
Any suggestions for useful ways to utilize smashed ceramic ware? If not, am
I looking at packing the odd bag off to the landfill, or is there a
better/more ethical way to dispose of the material?
David...
I recycled 30 uglies and seconds into this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesfreemanstudio/4698361960/in/photostream
It stands almost 2 feet tall and is a foot and a half in diameter. Took 89
hours to construct, so not a terribly economically viable proposition.
I am now saving my seconds and uglies for a pique assiette and stone base
for a very large metal sculpture that I hope to assemble this summer, thoug=
h
I may have to supplement the seconds with broken commercial tile.
...James
James Freeman
"...outsider artists, caught in the bog of their own consciousness, too
preciously idiosyncratic to be taken seriously."
"All I say is by way of discourse, and nothing by way of advice. I should
not speak so boldly if it were my due to be believed."
-Michel de Montaigne
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesfreemanstudio/
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com/resources
Bonnie Staffel on wed 13 apr 11
http://webpages.charter.net/bstaffel/blog.htm
=3D20
When we sold our studio, the new owner wanted to make a remembrance =3D
mosaic
with my pottery shards which I had "dumped" on the ground in the back of =
=3D
the
studio. The kids of customers loved to go through them to find some =3D
treasure
over the 20 years we were in operation. So if you want to see what was
created and is hanging in the patio of the new gallery, click on the =3D
above..
Pictured is the owner of the gallery, Rebecca Glotfelty and me.=3D20
=3D20
Bonnie
=3D20
=3D20
=3D20
http://webpages.charter.net/bstaffel/
http://vasefinder.com/bstaffelgallery1.html
DVD Throwing with Coils and Slabs
DVD Introduction to Wheel Work
Charter Member Potters Council
=3D20
angela Varga on wed 13 apr 11
Best example of using pottery as a decorative building material i can fin=
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d
http://www.mexconnect.com/photos/5927-wdh12wall-pottery-and-brick-
shards-innovatively-repair-the-ancient-wa-large.jpg%3F1236643852
Then there is this, imagine it with mortar holding it together(and no pla=
=3D
ce=3D20
for water to collect...)
http://www.pleasanton.k12.ca.us/amador/faculty/arts/ceramics/stacked_po
ts.jpg
I am disappointed I could not find better examples of what it would look=3D=
20=3D
like.
I'm also sad that I have not tried it myself. Because I am not a producti=
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on=3D20
potter, the seconds problem is not something I have to deal with right=3D20=
=3D
now.
Your property may be located in a neighborhood that might not appreciate=3D=
20=3D
alternative architecture, in which case I would opt for dropping them int=
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o a=3D20
river or other body of water for the fishes to use.
What Nils Lou said about tossing pots into an opening in the earth and=3D2=
0=3D
having it discovered later, seems like gift to the future, since there ar=
=3D
e no=3D20
ecology issues I can think of, EXcept mosquitos... I live in FL, but tho=
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se=3D20
blood suckers are everywhere.
Angela
David Roon on fri 15 apr 11
I agree- that's an impressive achievement and a very cool idea. I've
definitely been mulling some architectural ideas... new wall for a garden=
=3D
terrace perhaps?
Thanks for all the helpful ideas, folks.
Lis Allison on sat 16 apr 11
Speaking of broken seconds, does anybody have a really efficient way of
smashing them into quite small pieces? I have in the past just broken them
into a few large pieces and tossed them into the garbage (shame,
shame....) but I've learned the error of my ways. So now I think I'll
smash them really small and use the bits to fill in potholes in my
driveway, covering the shards with gravel of course. But just smashing a
few lids the other day took me a while and it was hard to get small
pieces. They don't hold still for the hammer....
Lis
ps. yes, I use safety goggles.
--
Elisabeth Allison
Pine Ridge Studio
website: www.pine-ridge.ca
Pottery blog: www.studio-on-the-ridge.blogspot.com
Garden blog: www.garden-on-the-ridge.blogspot.com
Snail Scott on sun 17 apr 11
On Apr 16, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Lis Allison wrote:
> ...does anybody have a really efficient way of
> smashing them into quite small pieces?
Throw them against a brick or concrete wall.
Effective and therapeutic!
-Snail
Steve Mills on mon 18 apr 11
On 17 Apr 2011, at 13:48, Snail Scott wrote:
> On Apr 16, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Lis Allison wrote:
>> ...does anybody have a really efficient way of
>> smashing them into quite small pieces?
>
>
> Throw them against a brick or concrete wall.
> Effective and therapeutic!
>
> -Snail
Amen!
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
www.mudslinger.me.uk
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