search  current discussion  categories  tools & equipment - misc 

fw: clayart: approval for phil/bison tools/lasvegas

updated sat 18 sep 10

 

MEUNIER LEE on thu 16 sep 10


=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A----- Forwarded Message ----=3D0AFrom: "LISTSERV@LSV.CE=
RAMICS.ORG=3D
" =3D0ATo: Joyce Lee =3D0=
ASen=3D
t: Thu, September 16, 2010 12:12:47 PM=3D0ASubject: Clayart: approval requi=
re=3D
d (591A7CD0)=3D0A=3D0AThis message was originally submitted by pdp1@EARTHLI=
NK.N=3D
ET to the Clayart list=3D0Aat LSV.CERAMICS.ORG. You can approve it=3DA0 usi=
ng t=3D
he "OK" mechanism (click on the=3D0Alink=3DA0 below), ignore=3DA0 it, or=3D=
A0 repos=3D
t an=3DA0 edited copy.=3DA0 The message=3DA0 will expire=3D0Aautomatically.=
You do =3D
not=3DA0 need to do anything if you just=3DA0 want to discard it.=3D0APleas=
e refe=3D
r to the List Owner's Manual at=3D0Ahttp://www.lsoft.com/resources/manuals.=
as=3D
p=3DA0 if you=3DA0 are not=3DA0 familiar with=3DA0 the=3D0A"OK" mechanism. =
These=3DA0 i=3D
nstructions are being kept purposefully=3DA0 short for your=3D0Aconvenience=
in =3D
processing large numbers of messages.=3D0A=3D0ATo APPROVE the message:=3D0A=
http:/=3D
/lsv.ceramics.org/scripts/wa.exe?OK=3D3D591A7CD0&L=3D3DCLAYART=3D0A=3D0A---=
--------=3D
------ Original message (ID=3D3D591A7CD0) (192 lines) ------------------=3D=
0ARe=3D
turn-Path: =3D0AReceived: from [209.86.89.64] by LSV.CE=
RA=3D
MICS.ORG (SMTPL release 1.0w) with TCP; =3D0AThu, 16 Sep 2010 15:12:46 -040=
0=3D
=3D0ADomainKey-Signature: a=3D3Drsa-sha1; q=3D3Ddns; c=3D3Dnofws;=3D0A=3DA0=
s=3D3Ddk20050=3D
327; d=3D3Dearthlink.net;=3D0A=3DA0 b=3D3DMmRWtjSaeNrAbYBOSz/8gkyiCDTZ16ttR=
Bvel+Cxr=3D
Icd6GDyMCzMNiW18kvi79FR;=3D0A=3DA0 =3D0Ah=3D3DReceived:Message-ID:From:To:R=
eference=3D
s:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priori=
=3D
ty:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP;=3D0A=
=3D
=3D0AReceived: from [208.78.109.198] (helo=3D3Djohn506f04fff5)=3D0A=3DA0=3D=
A0=3DA0 by e=3D
lasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67)=3D0A=3DA0=3DA0=
=3DA0 (en=3D
velope-from )=3D0A=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 id 1OwKbZ-0004AE-Uf=
=3D0A=3DA0=3DA0=3D
=3DA0 for Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:58:50 -0400=3D0AMes=
sage=3D
-ID: <8C64BAF6F62A4390847112AA225E7DBE@john506f04fff5>=3D0AFrom: "phil" p1=3D
@earthlink.net>=3D0ATo: =3D0AReferences:=3DA0 <00=
2801cb=3D
4eeb$053a2990$0fae7cb0$@net>=3D0ASubject: Re: Another Definition of ART=3D0=
ADat=3D
e: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 12:58:17 -0700=3D0AMIME-Version: 1.0=3D0AContent-Type: =
text=3D
/plain;=3D0A=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 format=3D3Dflowed;=3D0A=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 charset=
=3D3D"iso-8859-1";=3D0A=3D
=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 reply-type=3D3Doriginal=3D0AContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit=
=3D0AX-Prior=3D
ity: 3=3D0AX-MSMail-Priority: Normal=3D0AX-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Expres=
s 6.=3D
00.2900.5931=3D0AX-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994=
=3D0AX=3D
-ELNK-Trace: =3D0Aa498d7b9d9ee16524d2b10475b5711203d3faf06ad97e780941f83012=
18=3D
2e285d59d3f87bb2d8d42350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c=3D0A=
=3D0A=3D
X-Originating-IP: 208.78.109.198=3D0A=3D0AHi Vince, Paul, James, and anyone=
els=3D
e still hanging in there...=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0ABelow...amid...=3D0A=3D0A=3D=
0A=3D0A----- Ori=3D
ginal Message ----- =3D0AFrom: "Vince Pitelka=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A> Paul Gerhold =
posted a=3D
web link that provided the following definition of=3D0A> art:=3D0A=3D0A=3D=
0AYes he=3D
did, and bless his Heart, too.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A> > "Art is the organiza=
tion of =3D
sense impressions [into pleasurable formal=3D0A> > relations] that expresse=
s =3D
the artist's sensibility and communicates to=3D0A> > his=3D0A> > audience a=
sen=3D
se of values that can transform their lives."=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A> Pleasura=
ble form=3D
al relations?=3DA0 Who says?=3DA0 Why should that be a criteria at=3D0A> al=
l?=3D0A=3D
=3D0A=3D0A=3D0APossibly, because there are still a few people left here and=
there=3D
, who may=3D0Aprefer pleasure, to pain? Or, who can still tell the differen=
ce=3D
?=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AI still don't get the frequent claim of 'Art' communicating=
'valu=3D
es' which =3D0Atransform people's Lives.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AAnd of course no one=
ever bo=3D
thers offering examples anyone can refer to, for =3D0Aall these claims and =
as=3D
sertions, or even for merely allowing a reader to see =3D0Awhat the writer =
ha=3D
s in mind for example on which a claim is being made.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A"Bedlam=
"=3D0A=3D
=3D0A=3D0ATyphus tranfrormed more 'Lives' than 'Art' ever will...for that m=
atte=3D
r.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0ASo has television...so has Pasurization...so have Antibiot=
ics...=3D
so has the =3D0AInternet, so have falling off Roofs...etc...=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=
=3D0A> If =3D
one of the criteria is that art must communicate a sense of values that=3D0=
A>=3D
can transform peoples' lives, then a good percentage of the work that we=
=3D
=3D0A> call art in the museums around the world isn't really art at all.=3D=
0A=3D
=3D0A=3D0AI myself would not find that to be a necessary criteria.=3D0A=3D0=
ABut the=3D
n, I ( also )=3DA0 dispute the wisdom and utility of the present=3D0Aconfus=
ed-m=3D
eaning/use-abuse of the word 'Art', as it ( the word, or the=3D0Ahabituated=
=3D
=3D0Aconnotation, or the liabilities of both, as they, or it )=3DA0 has com=
e to=3D
be,=3D0Aanyway.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A> And what is meant by a "sense of valu=
es?"=3DA0 Wh=3D
y should art have to=3D0A> communicate a sense of values?=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AI d=
o not be=3D
lieve it would need to...but, Values do seem to fall onto, or may=3D0Abe pe=
rc=3D
eived as if able to be arranged on, a graduated scale from the more=3D0Aor =
le=3D
ss powerfully oblique to the more or less infinitely subtle.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=
=3D0AI t=3D
hink we labor in error in wishing to resolve the conundrum we have borned=
=3D
=3D0Aor inherited, or maintained on accident...instead of rejecting the pre=
mi=3D
s on=3D0Awhich it is=3D0Arooted to so vex us.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AA better and in=
tentionall=3D
y arrived at premis would allow happier =3D0Aforthcomings.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=
=3D0A> There=3D
is plenty of decent art that just decorates or entertains.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=
=3D0AI do=3D
not see how or why anyone would have ever presumed to ask anything more=3D=
0A=3D
than that, of it, or of anything else, or of eachother, or of themselves or=
=3D
=3D0Aof their own=3D0Amind, anyway.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0APossibly, people imagine=
that the =3D
word 'entertain' indicates something=3D0Atrivial? Or other-determined? Or s=
up=3D
erficial..?=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AIt is a broad term I suppose...=3D0A=3D0A=3D0ABut=
, if I imagi=3D
ne the loftiest or most exhaulted or revered or famous or=3D0Aprofound thin=
gs=3D
called 'Art', or ditto of events or transpires of History, =3D0Aof famed R=
el=3D
igious figures or=3D0Aother personages, etc, I=3D0Afind them ( at best, and=
at =3D
worst, ) to 'entertain'...so...=3D0A=3D0AEntertain used to mean one invest =
atte=3D
ntion and interest in or with =3D0Asomething...a form=3D0Aof consideration.=
..a =3D
form of involvement and focus.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AWord Soup, as ever...Grab=
ba Spoon=3D
...=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A>=3DA0 Also,=3D0A> there is lots of art that te=
lls a story wi=3D
thout communicating any=3D0A> particular=3D0A> sense of values.=3D0A=3D0A=
=3D0AYes...=3D
=3D0A=3D0A=3D0ANor need it ( in this sense ) even be obliged to do that, to=
tell-=3D
a-story,=3D0Aof course.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A> I am sorry, but I think that t=
his defini=3D
tion is restrictive and=3D0A> misleading.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AIn skeet, one says =
"Pull!!"=3D
and the Clay Pigeon is lst fly...=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AIt then descends, either b=
y it's=3D
own trajectory and liesured parabola, or,=3D0Ain pieces, and, with help to=
b=3D
e that way.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A> - Vince=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0ALove,=3D0A=3D0A=
=3D0APhil=3D0ALv