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Deborah Thuman on mon 23 aug 10


I'm intrigued by both the impressionists and the fauves. I understand
at least a few of the color tricks..... but I'm wondering how that
would translate into pots. I'm not asking about how to paint Starry
Night on a vase. I'm thinking how form cold imply what the fauves and
impressionists did.

Anyone know of any examples?

Deb Thuman
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James Freeman on mon 23 aug 10


Deb...

Though this will likely elicit much teeth grinding amongst the art
historians and critics, and is surely not standard or accepted
thought, I would offer Voulkos' work as a sort of 3D analog to Les
Fauves, especially in terms of expressionism and savagery. Replace
fields of bold color with areas of bold texture, and you are there.
(I have always felt that the application of the "Abstract
Expressionist" label to Voulkos was post hoc rationalization, a
marketing ploy, or both.)

As a 3D analog to the Impressionists, I would hesitantly offer the
work of Brancusi. Not the sideways heads or the gawdawful "Kiss", but
his more lyric works like the bird forms or the columns. I feel in
these works the impression of motion much as the Impressionists
captured the impression of light. I think this sentiment is
confirmed, at least to an extent, in his 1933 statement "Don't look
for obscure formulas, nor for le mystere. It is pure joy I'm giving
you."

I am not in any way saying that Voulkos was a part of Les Fauves nor
that Brancusi was a part of Impressionism. Such categorization is up
to the historians, and in any case I find such labels a bit arbitrary
and not terribly useful. I am just offering some visual examples of
work that imparts in me, at least, the feelings and ideas that I
believe you are looking for. If nothing more, it is a starting point.
Perhaps someone like Snail will have some better examples for you, as
she is exceptionally well versed in art history.

All the best.

...James

James Freeman

"All I say is by way of discourse, and nothing by way of advice.=3DA0 I
should not speak so boldly if it were my due to be believed."
-Michel de Montaigne

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On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Deborah Thuman wrot=
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> I'm intrigued by both the impressionists and the fauves. I understand
> at least a few of the color tricks..... but I'm wondering how that
> would translate into pots. I'm not asking about how to paint Starry
> Night on a vase. I'm thinking how form cold imply what the fauves and
> impressionists did.
>
> Anyone know of any examples?
>
> Deb Thuman
> http://debthumansblog.blogspot.com/
> http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=3D3D5888059
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Deb-Thumans-Art-Page/167529715986
>

Kathy Forer on tue 31 aug 10


On Aug 23, 2010, at 9:13 AM, Deborah Thuman wrote:

> I'm intrigued by both the impressionists and the fauves. I understand
> at least a few of the color tricks..... but I'm wondering how that
> would translate into pots. I'm not asking about how to paint Starry
> Night on a vase. I'm thinking how form cold imply what the fauves and
> impressionists did.

Again, it's just labels. Impressionism is a simple descriptor for a =3D
process or style of painting.=3D20

The dictionary definition:
"characterized by a concern with depicting the visual impression of the =3D
moment, esp. in terms of the shifting effect of light and color.
=3D95 a literary or artistic style that seeks to capture a feeling or =3D
experience rather than to achieve accurate depiction.
=3D95 Music a style of composition (associated esp. with Debussy) in which =
=3D
clarity of structure and theme is subordinate to harmonic effects, =3D
characteristically using the whole-tone scale."

Form is nominally described on a spectrum of geometric and organic. It =3D
can respond "to the moment" with various inflections. Then another =3D
moment or series of time creates more shape. Eventually it's complete.=3D20=
=3D


Look at Starry Night really well. Absorb it, feel you're inside it. Then =
=3D
make a vase of your remembered impressions. Then go outside one night =3D
and do the same. Learn to see and make marks or shapes after not a =3D
recipe but a loose code of principles.=3D20


Kathy Forer
www.kforer.com

Lee Love on tue 31 aug 10


On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Deborah Thuman wrot=
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> Night on a vase. I'm thinking how form cold imply what the fauves and
> impressionists did.

The same way the camera freed painters from rendering, tea ceremony
allowed potters freedom from rendering. After tea, expression was
expanded so that pots could be gestural, rather than always uniformed
and precise.

--

=3DA0Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/

=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi