phil on wed 24 mar 10
s.
Hi Ivor,
Yup...
Kinda like a guy who works at a Slaughter house, gets a Paper Cut opening
his pay check, and is
all whimpy and involved with the pain and seeking sympathy...
I love Cans of Worms myself....
"Just add Water"
Love,
Phil
Lv
----- Original Message -----
From: "ivor & olive lewis"
>I had promised to stay out of this Can of very large Lumbricus Terrestris
> but Lili's comment "Teachers fail...." shattered my resolve .
> I recall a colleague who was selected to supervise Driver Education. To b=
e
> accepted by the authorities to do this he had to pass an advanced driving
> course. When he got his result he had failed. For him it was a
> catastrophe.
> He broke down in floods of tears. Our School Principal had no sympathy fo=
r
> him and remarked that this was his first experience of Failure. Now he
> would
> empathise with those he taught who had difficulty with learning. Thorough
> primary school, secondary school and university he was the triple A grade
> student.
>
> All the best,
> Ivor.
phil on wed 24 mar 10
s.
Hi Joan,
Ivor was mentioning how a Teacher had himself 'failed' an important exam,
for qualifying him to Teach Driver's Education.
Ivor's Post was not about the schools or teachers 'failing' the
pupils/students/children.
However, that being said, my own opinion, is that parents, and, extended
families, friends of families, neighbors, communities, in casual ways, in
incidental ways, could, and should permit children to learn, without per-se
presuming to 'teach' them.
Thus, happily eliminating the perceived need for formal state run or simila=
r
kinds of 'schools'.,,and, what I believe to be the damage these do to
everyone.
If parents are too ignorant or ill equipped to do this, my opinion, is that
they should reflect into their own conscience, and, remain child-less, even
as their parents ought to have done.
If wishes were Horses, I know...
Phil
Lv
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joan Hoyt"
> I'm a long time lurker, but I can't pass this without voicing an
> opinion. I must respectfully disagree. Schools cannot overcome children
> who
> come to them unprepared to learn, with no discipline and no desire to
> learn.
> If there are none of these things in their home, they will not have the
> ability to thrive in school. Parents do not have to have the education
> themselves, but must value education. The single most dominant predicto=
r
> of a
> child's success is the educational level of parents, and predominantly
> Mothers,
> but yet there is no push to encourage parents to improve their education.
> I think it is unfair and off the mark to blame schools for failing,
> when schools cannot overcome the job not done by parents. Yes, there ar=
e
> things that can be done better by schools, but until a teacher gets a
> classroom
> full of kids ready to work, showing up everyday, and doing their homework=
,
> the ball is in the parents court.
> Joan
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/24/10 12:00:30 PM, pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET writes:
>
>
>> >I had promised to stay out of this Can of very large Lumbricus
>> Terrestris
>> > but Lili's comment "Teachers fail...." shattered my resolve .
>>
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Joan Hoyt on wed 24 mar 10
s.
I'm a long time lurker, but I can't pass this without voicing an
opinion. I must respectfully disagree. Schools cannot overcome children w=
ho
come to them unprepared to learn, with no discipline and no desire to learn=
.
If there are none of these things in their home, they will not have the
ability to thrive in school. Parents do not have to have the education
themselves, but must value education. The single most dominant predictor =
of a
child's success is the educational level of parents, and predominantly Moth=
ers,
but yet there is no push to encourage parents to improve their education.
I think it is unfair and off the mark to blame schools for failing,
when schools cannot overcome the job not done by parents. Yes, there are
things that can be done better by schools, but until a teacher gets a class=
room
full of kids ready to work, showing up everyday, and doing their homework,
the ball is in the parents court.
Joan
In a message dated 3/24/10 12:00:30 PM, pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET writes:
> >I had promised to stay out of this Can of very large Lumbricus
> Terrestris
> > but Lili's comment "Teachers fail...." shattered my resolve .
>
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