Lee Love on sun 21 mar 10
Ali, are you using hard clay? That is the single thing that has
screwed me up most often in the past, after not throwing for a while.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
Ali Shapiro Cudby on sun 21 mar 10
I'm writing this email totally, completely, utterly frustrated and ready to=
scream, give up, cry...I don't know. But I could really use some help.
Ever since I moved into my new house in December, I've been unable to throw=
a single pot I'm happy with. EVERYTHING is uneven - fat on one side, thin=
on the other; taller on one side, shorter on the other. No matter how muc=
h I compress, I can't get anything even. I thought it might be the wheel, =
which is a pretty new Brent. Their customer service department was amazing=
, even going so far as to recall the wheel to check it out. They are satis=
fied that the wheel is functioning normally, and I trust they wouldn't go t=
o the trouble of shipping the wheel back and forth only to blow sunshine up=
my skirt. I've checked the electricity. It's a brand new house, so anyth=
ing is possible, but it's looking pretty normal...fluctuating between 122.8=
-122.9. I tried throwing a bowl with the wheelhead going in the opposite d=
irection and the problem was less evident (even if the bowl was awful)...so=
it's definitely pilot error.
I just don't know where to start and I have loved doing this for the past f=
ew years, so giving up seems like a bad answer. But beating my head agains=
t the wall ain't so hot, either.
Any thoughts are much appreciated...
Ali Cudby
www.cudbysmud.com
phil on sun 21 mar 10
Hi Ali,
This sounds typical of when one is using Clay which has not been thoroughly
Wedged...
If the Clay is soft and of homogeneous consistency, there will not likely b=
e
any uneven thicknesses whirling about on the Wheel.
Phil
Lv
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ali Shapiro Cudby"
> I'm writing this email totally, completely, utterly frustrated and ready
> to scream, give up, cry...I don't know. But I could really use some help=
.
>
> Ever since I moved into my new house in December, I've been unable to
> throw a single pot I'm happy with. EVERYTHING is uneven - fat on one
> side, thin on the other; taller on one side, shorter on the other. No
> matter how much I compress, I can't get anything even. I thought it migh=
t
> be the wheel, which is a pretty new Brent. Their customer service
> department was amazing, even going so far as to recall the wheel to check
> it out. They are satisfied that the wheel is functioning normally, and I
> trust they wouldn't go to the trouble of shipping the wheel back and fort=
h
> only to blow sunshine up my skirt. I've checked the electricity. It's a
> brand new house, so anything is possible, but it's looking pretty
> normal...fluctuating between 122.8-122.9. I tried throwing a bowl with
> the wheelhead going in the opposite direction and the problem was less
> evident (even if the bowl was awful)...so it's definitely pilot error.
>
> I just don't know where to start and I have loved doing this for the past
> few years, so giving up seems like a bad answer. But beating my head
> against the wall ain't so hot, either.
>
> Any thoughts are much appreciated...
>
> Ali Cudby
> www.cudbysmud.com
Kris Bliss on mon 22 mar 10
This may be just too simple, but is your wheel level?
kris in snowy anchorage
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of Ali Shapiro
Cudby
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 1:34 PM
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Lost my ability to throw
I'm writing this email totally, completely, utterly frustrated and ready to
scream, give up, cry...I don't know. But I could really use some help.
Ever since I moved into my new house in December, I've been unable to throw
a single pot I'm happy with. EVERYTHING is uneven - fat on one side, thin
on the other; taller on one side, shorter on the other. No matter how much
I compress, I can't get anything even. I thought it might be the wheel,
which is a pretty new Brent. Their customer service department was amazing=
,
even going so far as to recall the wheel to check it out. They are
satisfied that the wheel is functioning normally, and I trust they wouldn't
go to the trouble of shipping the wheel back and forth only to blow sunshin=
e
up my skirt. I've checked the electricity. It's a brand new house, so
anything is possible, but it's looking pretty normal...fluctuating between
122.8-122.9. I tried throwing a bowl with the wheelhead going in the
opposite direction and the problem was less evident (even if the bowl was
awful)...so it's definitely pilot error.
I just don't know where to start and I have loved doing this for the past
few years, so giving up seems like a bad answer. But beating my head
against the wall ain't so hot, either.
Any thoughts are much appreciated...
Ali Cudby
www.cudbysmud.com
Alex on mon 22 mar 10
When I first got my wheel, it was set up in a butlers pantry. I noticed =
=3D
that a=3D20
large item I had made was leaning when I viewed it from a distance.
Turned out the floor wasn't exactly level so the wheel itself wasn't leve=
=3D
l=3D20
either. If your floor has a grade to it, the wheel will feel nice and so=
=3D
lid but=3D20
then you get out a level and check the wheel in each direction it might r=
=3D
eveal=3D20
the problem.
When I pulled my wheel out of the position I've had it in for the last 4 =
=3D
years,=3D20
once again it wasn't level (not a firm floor, it's a woodshed). I tried =
=3D
to just=3D20
deal with it since it was pretty darn close, but yeah, no cigar. I had t=
=3D
o spend=3D20
an evening with shims and such to get it level again.
I hope the problem is something simple like that!
Alex
http://ugabugabowls.artfire.com
http://ugabugabowls.blogspot.com
Roland Beevor on mon 22 mar 10
Dear Ali
If you had the same problem (many people do) playing golf a coach would=3D2=
0
tell you to go back to basics an re-teach yourself. Anything (or=3D20
nothing) can trigger a good player into a state of mind where they=3D20
cannot hole a put. Moving house is mentally stressful and can be=3D20
physically demanding too, either of which might upset your concentration =
=3D
or fine motor control.
Another possbility is that you have clay which is much less uniform than =
=3D
you are used to, it may have been standing for a while and dried=3D20
unevenly, I think Phil's answer is certainly worth addressing.
In any case I would suggest that you handle youself as if you were=3D20
teaching a beginner. This is how to wedge... Start with half a dozen=3D20
of an easily managed amount. Throw cylinders, cut them in half, wedge=3D20
and throw again. Don't put yourself under pressure to make a=3D20
masterpiece, or even something that pleases you aesthetically, today,=3D20
tomorrow or this week.
The magic will come back in time and you will find you are doing=3D20
difficult things without thinking, and you will be a better thrower (and =
=3D
possibly a better teacher) for the experience.
Happy potting
Roly
On 21/03/2010 21:34, Ali Shapiro Cudby wrote:
> I'm writing this email totally, completely, utterly frustrated and read=
=3D
y to scream, give up, cry...I don't know. But I could really use some he=
=3D
lp.
>
> Ever since I moved into my new house in December, I've been unable to t=
=3D
hrow a single pot I'm happy with. EVERYTHING is uneven - fat on one side=
=3D
, thin on the other; taller on one side, shorter on the other. No matter=
=3D
how much I compress, I can't get anything even. I thought it might be t=
=3D
he wheel, which is a pretty new Brent. Their customer service department=
=3D
was amazing, even going so far as to recall the wheel to check it out. =
=3D
They are satisfied that the wheel is functioning normally, and I trust th=
=3D
ey wouldn't go to the trouble of shipping the wheel back and forth only t=
=3D
o blow sunshine up my skirt. I've checked the electricity. It's a brand=
=3D
new house, so anything is possible, but it's looking pretty normal...flu=
=3D
ctuating between 122.8-122.9. I tried throwing a bowl with the wheelhead=
=3D
going in the opposite direction and the problem was less evident (even i=
=3D
f the bowl was awful)...so it's definitely pilot error.
>
> I just don't know where to start and I have loved doing this for the pa=
=3D
st few years, so giving up seems like a bad answer. But beating my head =
=3D
against the wall ain't so hot, either.
>
> Any thoughts are much appreciated...
>
> Ali Cudby
> www.cudbysmud.com
> =3D20
>
>
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William & Susan Schran User on mon 22 mar 10
My first thought would be the clay you are using.
Is it stiff or hard to center?
Using clay that is too hard, or too soft could cause the problems.
Problems all seem related to trying to form something from uncentered clay.
2nd thought would be the wheel.
Nothing wrong with the wheel, you just have it going too fast.
Slow down by half your centering speed.
Then slow down by half again when you open and begin to pull up the wall.
Report back how this works.
Bill
--
William "Bill" Schran
wschran@cox.net
wschran@nvcc.edu
http://www.creativecreekartisans.com
On 3/21/10 5:34 PM, "Ali Shapiro Cudby" wrote:
> I'm writing this email totally, completely, utterly frustrated and ready =
to
> scream, give up, cry...I don't know. But I could really use some help.
>
> Ever since I moved into my new house in December, I've been unable to thr=
ow a
> single pot I'm happy with. EVERYTHING is uneven - fat on one side, thin =
on
> the other; taller on one side, shorter on the other. No matter how much =
I
> compress, I can't get anything even. I thought it might be the wheel, wh=
ich
> is a pretty new Brent. Their customer service department was amazing, ev=
en
> going so far as to recall the wheel to check it out. They are satisfied =
that
> the wheel is functioning normally, and I trust they wouldn't go to the tr=
ouble
> of shipping the wheel back and forth only to blow sunshine up my skirt. =
I've
> checked the electricity. It's a brand new house, so anything is possible=
, but
> it's looking pretty normal...fluctuating between 122.8-122.9. I tried
> throwing a bowl with the wheelhead going in the opposite direction and th=
e
> problem was less evident (even if the bowl was awful)...so it's definitel=
y
> pilot error.
>
> I just don't know where to start and I have loved doing this for the past=
few
> years, so giving up seems like a bad answer. But beating my head against=
the
> wall ain't so hot, either.
>
> Any thoughts are much appreciated...
Fred Parker on mon 22 mar 10
Ali-
Every time I have this problem it is because I have let my clay dry too m=
=3D
uch
making it difficult to center completely. I ram a hole down through it w=
=3D
ith
a dowell, fill it with water and let it stand for a couple of days, then
rewedge it. If time does not permit, I throw in some slop from the recla=
=3D
im
bin. Also, as Phil said, wedging has to be complete (no patches of harde=
=3D
r
clay mixed in).=3D20
Regards,
Fred Parker
Alice DeLisle on mon 22 mar 10
> Ever since I moved into my new house in December, I've been unable
to
> throw a single pot I'm happy with. EVERYTHING is uneven -
fat on one
> side, thin on the other; taller on one side, shorter
on the other.
Ali,
Have you checked to see if your wheel is level? I moved my wheel to a new =
location and the floor was not level so I had to shim the wheel to throw ev=
en pots.
Alice DeLisle
wanderland@att.net
http://delisle.aftosawebhosting.com
Eva Gallagher on mon 22 mar 10
Two years ago I took a week long workshop and on the last day someone
noticed that my wheel did not seem to be level. Once it was pointed out I
could easily see that the wheel head was not level - it was so bad. One leg
of the three was over an inch lower - yet I threw all that week without a
problem. I lengthened the leg and leveled the wheel and noticed no
difference - and yes I am an experienced thrower, but if levelness was so
important I think I would have noticed something was wrong. So I have
wondered as well about that myth and if it is necessary to level every
wheel.
Eva Gallagher
Deep River, Ontario
http://newfoundoutpotter.blogspot.com/
http://www.valleyartisans.com/gallagher/Gallagher.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randall Moody"
To:
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: Lost my ability to throw
> Like many Mythbusters' episodes there is a problem with this. He is
> throwing
> on an obviously off level wheel and is taking that into consideration as
> he
> is throwing. The issue comes when the wheel is slightly off level and the
> thrower does not compensate for it. Myth "plausible" not "busted".
>
> --Randall in Atlanta--
>
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Pottery By John <
> potterybyjohn@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> Our Clayart buddy Tim See has a video about throwing on an off level
>> wheel.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DWNKwscKjtCc
>>
>> As much as I appreciate the thought, still check your wheel for level.
>>
>> John Lowes
>> Sandy Springs, GA
>>
>> http:\\wynhillpottery.weebly.com
>>
>
>
Randall Moody on mon 22 mar 10
Check to make sure the wheel head is level. If it is off just a tiny bit it
can cause problems.
--Randall in Atlanta--
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ali Shapiro Cudby"
>
>
> I'm writing this email totally, completely, utterly frustrated and ready
>> to scream, give up, cry...I don't know. But I could really use some hel=
p.
>>
>> Ever since I moved into my new house in December, I've been unable to
>> throw a single pot I'm happy with. EVERYTHING is uneven - fat on one
>> side, thin on the other; taller on one side, shorter on the other. No
>> matter how much I compress, I can't get anything even.
>> Ali Cudby
>> www.cudbysmud.com
>>
>
Lee Love on mon 22 mar 10
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 5:55 PM, James Freeman
wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Lee Love wrote:
>>
>> =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 Of the hump doesn't require a level wheel.
> Of course it does, Lee. =3DA0Please see my previous post in this thread.
Maybe for a beginner. But oldtimers can compensate.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
David Todd on mon 22 mar 10
Hi Ali
I had to move my wheel out of the house into an outdoor shed. I set up and
couldn't throw a thing. The next day as I was heading out to the shed I
noticed one of the support blocks had settled into the gravel a bit more
than the others. I got out a level and put it on the wheel head and turned
it. After putting some shims under a leg or two I could throw again. So, I
guess you have to make sure you're level headed.
David Todd
www.otterrafting.com
Linda White on mon 22 mar 10
Check to see if your wheel is perfectly level. Even a small bit off
level will affect your pots. I had this problem and finally thought
to check the level. That was it. A shim under one of the feet solved
it all.
The other possibility is that you are either not getting the clay
perfectly centered before you start, or that you're opening the clay
slightly off center.
Hope this helps.
Linda White
LickHaven Pottery
Dushore PA
On Mar 21, 2010, at 5:34 PM, Ali Shapiro Cudby wrote:
>
> Ever since I moved into my new house in December, I've been unable
> to throw a single pot I'm happy with. EVERYTHING is uneven - fat
> on one side, thin on the other; taller on one side, shorter on the
> other.
Chris Leake on mon 22 mar 10
I agree with Phil. Check your clay. Maybe even try getting some fresh cla=
y to compare.
Chris Leake
http://potterybychris.com
Russel Fouts on mon 22 mar 10
Ali,
>> Ever since I moved into my new house in December, I've been unable
to throw a single pot <<
Moving house, a death in the family, divorce, etc are some of the most
stressful and psychologicaly taxing things you can do and can take time
to recover from.
A clear head is vital for throwing. Where is your head at? What's still
stressing you out?
If there are things to finish from the move and those things are trying
on your mind, maybe you should do those first and try throwing again
once they're out of the way and your mind is clear.
Russel (who absolutely HATES moving house; hates it, hates it, hates it.
And swears he will leave his present location carried out in a box. ;-)
Pottery By John on mon 22 mar 10
Our Clayart buddy Tim See has a video about throwing on an off level wheel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DWNKwscKjtCc
As much as I appreciate the thought, still check your wheel for level.
John Lowes
Sandy Springs, GA
http:\\wynhillpottery.weebly.com
Randall Moody on mon 22 mar 10
Like many Mythbusters' episodes there is a problem with this. He is throwin=
g
on an obviously off level wheel and is taking that into consideration as he
is throwing. The issue comes when the wheel is slightly off level and the
thrower does not compensate for it. Myth "plausible" not "busted".
--Randall in Atlanta--
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Pottery By John <
potterybyjohn@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Our Clayart buddy Tim See has a video about throwing on an off level whee=
l.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DWNKwscKjtCc
>
> As much as I appreciate the thought, still check your wheel for level.
>
> John Lowes
> Sandy Springs, GA
>
> http:\\wynhillpottery.weebly.com
>
Lee Love on mon 22 mar 10
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Pottery By John
wrote:
> Our Clayart buddy Tim See has a video about throwing on an off level whee=
=3D
l.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3DWNKwscKjtCc
Of the hump doesn't require a level wheel.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
James Freeman on mon 22 mar 10
John...
Your friend Tim's experiment is pretty cool as far as it goes, but
it's not really a fair scenario, and does not ever test what he
purports to be testing. Watch carefully, and you will see that he did
not ever pull the clay up, as in vertical, and never tried to make a
vertical pot. All he did was tip the wheel, then pull a very short
bowl off at an angle so as to keep everything perpendicular to the
wheel head.
In a real world situation, the potter, not realizing that the wheel
head is tilted, will be trying to pull the clay up, as in vertical.
This will cause the clay at the bottom of the pot to be constantly
flexed back and forth, which seems as though it would inevitably lead
to problems.
As a thought experiment, let's tip the wheel at a 45 degree angle down
to the right. Without the wheel spinning, in your head picture a
vertical cylinder. You will see that the angle between the wheel head
and the cylinder wall on the left side of the cylinder will be 45
degrees, while the angle between the right side of the cylinder and
the wheel head will be 135 degrees. A sketch will help you visualize
this better.
Now allow the wheel head to rotate 180 degrees, or half a turn. Your
cylinder is now completely horizontal! You can clearly see that if
the wheel is in motion, and if you try to pull up a vertical form, the
clay will be constantly yanked back and forth, and there seems to be
no way under these conditions that you will ever get a straight
vessel. Additionally, you can see that even if you could keep the
cylinder upright through constant application of hand pressure, the
second you took your hand away, your pot would fling itself about
rather wildly. Admittedly, these effects would not be so pronounced
with a more reasonable tilt, but they would certainly still exist.
To more closely model a real world situation, Tim would need to
attempt to throw a vertical vessel on a tilted wheel, and a vase would
be a better test form.
Just my thoughts.
...James
James Freeman
"All I say is by way of discourse, and nothing by way of advice. I
should not speak so boldly if it were my due to be believed."
-Michel de Montaigne
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesfreemanstudio/
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com/resources
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Pottery By John
wrote:
> Our Clayart buddy Tim See has a video about throwing on an off level whee=
l.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DWNKwscKjtCc
>
> As much as I appreciate the thought, still check your wheel for level.
>
> John Lowes
> Sandy Springs, GA
>
> http:\\wynhillpottery.weebly.com
>
James Freeman on mon 22 mar 10
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Lee Love wrote:
>
> Of the hump doesn't require a level wheel.
Of course it does, Lee. Please see my previous post in this thread.
All the best.
...James
James Freeman
"All I say is by way of discourse, and nothing by way of advice. I
should not speak so boldly if it were my due to be believed."
-Michel de Montaigne
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesfreemanstudio/
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com/resources
David Finkelnburg on tue 23 mar 10
Eva,
It has always seemed to me that the only apparent difference between a
throwing on a level wheel head and one off level would be the finished piec=
e
would have its vertical axis at a bit of a tilt. If the head were really ou=
t
of level then tall pieces would tilt noticeably. Otherwise, one would cente=
r
the clay, and throw centered ware just as on a level wheel head. Your
experience appears to bear that out.
However, how bad one's throwing is becomes totally subjective and
tilting pots might be an issue for some.
Good potting!
Dave Finkelnburg
http://mattanddavesclay.com
-----------------------------
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:41:50 -0400
From: Eva Gallagher
Subject: Re: Lost my ability to throw
Two years ago I took a week long workshop and on the last day someone
noticed that my wheel did not seem to be level. Once it was pointed out I
could easily see that the wheel head was not level - it was so bad. One leg
of the three was over an inch lower - yet I threw all that week without a
problem. I lengthened the leg and leveled the wheel and noticed no
difference - and yes I am an experienced thrower, but if levelness was so
important I think I would have noticed something was wrong. So I have
wondered as well about that myth and if it is necessary to level every
wheel.
Eva Gallagher
Deep River, Ontario
http://newfoundoutpotter.blogspot.com/
http://www.valleyartisans.com/gallagher/Gallagher.htm
phil on wed 24 mar 10
Hi Lee, and all me wedge-well and Throw-Joyfully buds,
Jeeeeeeeze...
Am I really the only Boy or Girl to have mentioned to the poor Pilgrim, the
importance of adequate or better 'Wedging'?
Without homogeneous and soft-enough Clay, who the heck could avoid centerin=
g
troubles, irregular wall thickness, and other demoralizing woes?
No one, that's "who"...
"WEDGE" well..! Wedge Gladly! Wedge-Wedge-Wedge!!!
Wedging IS 'Love'...!
Lol...
Love,
Phil
Lv
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Love"
I have always wanted to try upside down throwing like pictured in
Nelson's book. :^)
--
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
"Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent." --Rumi
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Snail Scott on wed 24 mar 10
On Mar 24, 2010, at 12:56 AM, David Finkelnburg wrote:
> It has always seemed to me that the only apparent difference
> between a
> throwing on a level wheel head and one off level would be the
> finished piece
> would have its vertical axis at a bit of a tilt...
Seems to me that throwing on an unlevel wheel
would simply result in normal pots, IF you do your
pulls, etc, perpendicular to the wheelhead, whatever
its orientation. Pulling vertically would be like pulling
at an angle when working on a level wheel, resulting
in (for example) flared cylinders if the wheel tips
away from your hands, or inwardly-tapered cylinders
if it tips toward your hands. A vertically-mounted wheel
would mean pulling a cylinder with horizontal hand
motions. I like Nils' thesis that this might facilitate
wide, low flared forms, since gravity would no longer
be working at cross-purposes to the clay.
Let's prop some wheels up on blocks and try some
45 degree throwing! (I'll give it a shot at school
tomorrow - should be entertaining for the students!)
-Snail
Lee Love on wed 24 mar 10
I have always wanted to try upside down throwing like pictured in
Nelson's book. :^)
--=3D20
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
ivor & olive lewis on thu 25 mar 10
Serious problems do arise when a wheel head is aligned at an angle to the
axis of rotation. A tall cylindrical pot will lean when it is cut from the
wheel head and placed on a level bench.
Interesting discussion.
Ivor Lewis,
Redhill,
South Australia
Snail Scott on fri 26 mar 10
On Mar 25, 2010, at 1:15 AM, ivor & olive lewis wrote:
> Serious problems do arise when a wheel head is aligned at an angle
> to the
> axis of rotation...
This discussion has splintered into two.
1: wheelhead not aligned straight with the
drive shaft, and 2: entire wheel assembly
tilted out of plumb.
These are very different conditions, with
very different results.
-Snail
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