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ceramic arts history responses: too academic

updated mon 10 nov 08

 

Jeff Longtin on fri 7 nov 08


As I'm pondering all the "you should look up these people" responses, it
strikes me quite profoundly that we're recommending ceramic TEACHERS and not
commercial potter/ceramic designers.

Granted the teachers mentioned are profound and quite influential but aren't
we doing Laura a disservice by steering her toward men and women immersed in
academia without mentioning those that were influential in the marketplace?

Most Americans, over the last half century, have not sat down and had dinner
off a Voulkos dinner plate or had their morning cup of coffee out of a Ron
Nagle creation. (I respect the work of both those men, immensly, but I haven't
eaten off their work.)

Yes, the academics have their place but don't we, as WORKING potters, have a
responsibilty to discuss the commercial application of our medium as well?

Jeff

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Lee Love on fri 7 nov 08


On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Jeff Longtin wrote:

> Yes, the academics have their place but don't we, as WORKING potters, have a
> responsibilty to discuss the commercial application of our medium as well?

Jeff, She asked about "artists." I mentioned a non-teacher,
Isamu Noguchi.

If she asked about potters, I think that would bring up another
list. But I wouldn't exclude anyone just because they taught. The
best folks in their field often end up teaching.



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Taylor Hendrix on fri 7 nov 08


Might be an interesting report to listen to but a difficult one to
research through secondary sources. Would be good to stretch the
research legs and go find information on that "invisible" multitude of
great ceramic artists/craftpersons.

Hope the report isn't due on Monday...

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On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Jeff Longtin wrote:
> As I'm pondering all the "you should look up these people" responses, it
> strikes me quite profoundly that we're recommending ceramic TEACHERS and not
> commercial potter/ceramic designers.
>
> Granted the teachers mentioned are profound and quite influential but aren't
> we doing Laura a disservice by steering her toward men and women immersed in
> academia without mentioning those that were influential in the marketplace?
>
> Most Americans, over the last half century, have not sat down and had dinner
> off a Voulkos dinner plate or had their morning cup of coffee out of a Ron
> Nagle creation. (I respect the work of both those men, immensly, but I haven't
> eaten off their work.)
>
> Yes, the academics have their place but don't we, as WORKING potters, have a
> responsibilty to discuss the commercial application of our medium as well?
>
> Jeff

Mike Gordon on fri 7 nov 08


Jeff, I think the original request was for abstract expressionists
connected to Voulkos. Mike Gordon
On Nov 7, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Jeff Longtin wrote:

> As I'm pondering all the "you should look up these people" responses,
> it
> strikes me quite profoundly that we're recommending ceramic TEACHERS
> and not
> commercial potter/ceramic designers.
>
> Granted the teachers mentioned are profound and quite influential but
> aren't
> we doing Laura a disservice by steering her toward men and women
> immersed in
> academia without mentioning those that were influential in the
> marketplace?
>
> Most Americans, over the last half century, have not sat down and had
> dinner
> off a Voulkos dinner plate or had their morning cup of coffee out of a
> Ron
> Nagle creation. (I respect the work of both those men, immensly, but I
> haven't
> eaten off their work.)
>
> Yes, the academics have their place but don't we, as WORKING potters,
> have a
> responsibilty to discuss the commercial application of our medium as
> well?
>
> Jeff
>
> in snowy minneapolis
>
>
> **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and
> all other
> Holiday needs. Search Now.
> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?
> redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from
> -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)
>

L TURNER on fri 7 nov 08


On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Jeff Longtin wrote:
"
Most Americans, over the last half century, have not sat down and had dinner
off a Voulkos dinner plate or had their morning cup of coffee out of a Ron
Nagle creation. (I respect the work of both those men, immensly, but I haven't
eaten off their work.)"

Let's not forget that Voulkos made lots of cups and dinner ware at the
Archie Bray before he became an academic. If I had one of his cups,
it sure wouldn't be used for drinking morning coffee.

L. Turner,
The Woodlands, TX

Snail Scott on sun 9 nov 08


On Nov 7, 2008, at 3:55 PM, Mike Gordon wrote:
> ...I think the original request was for abstract expressionists
> connected to Voulkos.


Actually, it was for ceramics artists SINCE 1950.

Voulkos was mentioned, but the request did not ask for
more of his circle, or American Ab-Ex, or indeed anything
specific at all except for the 60-year time span. Work
made in the 80's by European conceptual artists, or
last week by African folk potters, would fall within these
stated parameters, as well as whatever I pulled from
the kiln yesterday.

-Snail