W J Seidl on sat 27 sep 08
I proposed this some years ago. At the time, I remember being shot down
by some "name"
potters for "even suggesting that an idea such as this is viable."
I was also told things like: "you don't know what you're talking about",
and "it will be a cold day in hell before anyone makes that work".
At the time, I was a "rank newbie", unknown by most. Still am, I guess .
And that's ok. Well, I think I've been vindicated.
From the research done to date, it looks like energy consumption can
be as little as 20% of what current electric kilns can use.
Sounds like a winner to me....but what do _I_ know, right? LOL
Read the article and decide for yourself. You heard it here first.
Then go hit a yard sale, and grab yourself a "used" one to experiment with
your favorite clay/glaze combos.
Go here: *http://tinyurl.com/4at2k8*
I expect that the same types of comments were heard when the first
electric potters wheels
were proposed, or spray guns, or Giffin Grips, oven baked clay, or........
In spite of ourselves, technology marches on.
Best,
Wayne Seidl
in foggy Waite, Maine
"...a light bulb should go on over their heads!..."
Lee Love on sat 27 sep 08
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:47 PM, W J Seidl wrote:
>
> Go here: *http://tinyurl.com/4at2k8
This won't load form me Wayne.
--
Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://heartclay.blogspot.com/
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
http://claycraft.blogspot.com/
"Let the beauty we love be what we do.
There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground." --Rumi
Marian on sun 28 sep 08
The problem is with the server at the destination site and not
something Wayne can address. Though for those who click on his
original link, copy and paste it to remove the * at the end.
I'd give it a while and try again, or wait until tomorrow.
--- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, Lee Love wrote:
>
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:47 PM, W J Seidl wrote:
>
> >
> > Go here: *http://tinyurl.com/4at2k8
>
> This won't load form me Wayne.
>
>
> --
> Lee Love in Minneapolis
> http://heartclay.blogspot.com/
> http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
> http://claycraft.blogspot.com/
>
> "Let the beauty we love be what we do.
> There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground." --Rumi
>
Tony Ferguson on sun 28 sep 08
How about pasting the regular url or giving it a name and making an html link? There is really no need for tiny url, you can make your own.
Tony
Marian wrote: The problem is with the server at the destination site and not
something Wayne can address. Though for those who click on his
original link, copy and paste it to remove the * at the end.
I'd give it a while and try again, or wait until tomorrow.
--- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, Lee Love wrote:
>
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:47 PM, W J Seidl wrote:
>
> >
> > Go here: *http://tinyurl.com/4at2k8
>
> This won't load form me Wayne.
>
>
> --
> Lee Love in Minneapolis
> http://heartclay.blogspot.com/
> http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
> http://claycraft.blogspot.com/
>
> "Let the beauty we love be what we do.
> There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground." --Rumi
>
Take Care,
Tony Ferguson
Artist...Clay, Web, Photo, Video
...where the sky meets the lake...
http://www.tonyferguson.net
Lee Love on sun 28 sep 08
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Tony Ferguson wrote:
> How about pasting the regular url or giving it a name and making an html
> link? There is really no need for tiny url, you can make your own.
Tinyurl is excellent! There is no trouble with it.
There is some problem with the original link.
--
Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://heartclay.blogspot.com/
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
http://claycraft.blogspot.com/
"Let the beauty we love be what we do.
There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground." --Rumi
Marian on sun 28 sep 08
I believe this was Wayne's original url:
http://www.ceramicindustry.com/CDA/Articles/Article_Rotation/BNP_GUID_9-5-2=
006_A_10000000000000407305
--- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, Tony Ferguson wrote:
>
> How about pasting the regular url or giving it a name and making an
html link? There is really no need for tiny url, you can make your own.
>
> Tony
>
> Marian wrote: The problem is with the server at the
destination site and not
> something Wayne can address. Though for those who click on his
> original link, copy and paste it to remove the * at the end.
>
> I'd give it a while and try again, or wait until tomorrow.
>
>
Lee Love on sun 28 sep 08
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Marian wrote:
> I believe this was Wayne's original url:
>
> http://www.ceramicindustry.com/CDA/Articles/Article_Rotation/BNP_GUID_9-5-2006_A_10000000000000407305
Still not working. How about a once sentence synopsis?
--
Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://heartclay.blogspot.com/
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
http://claycraft.blogspot.com/
"Let the beauty we love be what we do.
There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground." --Rumi
W J Seidl on sun 28 sep 08
Thank you Marian.
That is indeed the article to which I referred. Since formatting is so
different from browser to browser,
I thought a tinyurl would be the best way to transmit that info, and not
a loooooooong one. I was probably wrong.
The Ceramic Industry website has been giving me fits all day trying to
access it, but it appears to be up and stable now.
Being "east of nowhere" in Maine has its advantages, but internet access
is not one of them.
For now, satellite will have to do. (Cable? DSL? Surely you jest!)
The point being that I'm never sure if it's "them" or "me".
I look forward to the day I can use that dish as a slump mold.
Still, the article is worth a read. Dropping electrical consumption
should be a goal of everyone
that has to pay the bill each month, especially in light of the recent
and continuing energy prices.
Less energy expended firing pots equals more money in YOUR pocket...just
my opinion.
Best,
Wayne Seidl
scrounging for that used unit I know is here
in the attic of the garage somewh...eeek! MICE!
Marian wrote:
> I believe this was Wayne's original url:
>
> http://www.ceramicindustry.com/CDA/Articles/Article_Rotation/BNP_GUID_9-5-2006_A_10000000000000407305
>
> --- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, Tony Ferguson wrote:
>
>> How about pasting the regular url or giving it a name and making an
>>
> html link? There is really no need for tiny url, you can make your own.
>
>> Tony
>>
>> Marian wrote: The problem is with the server at the
>>
> destination site and not
>
>> something Wayne can address. Though for those who click on his
>> original link, copy and paste it to remove the * at the end.
>>
>> I'd give it a while and try again, or wait until tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Joseph Herbert on mon 29 sep 08
I recall seeing a Discovery Channel presentation about metallurgy that
included a passing reference to melting the metal samples in a kitchen
microwave. The setup involved Magnesium Oxide insulating bricks and a
sample wrapped in Molybdenum foil. The samples reached 2000 degrees really
quickly. After some time the ovens failed and the researchers just replaced
them. Much less cost than similar activity in a high temperature furnace.
One of my geology professors did similar heating of rock samples in a vacuum
but used an induction oven. Again the setup used moly foil but inside a
glass chamber. The oven was two turns of 3/8 inch copper tubing that were
excited with high frequency electricity. Glowed yellow in seconds. He was
doing rock dating.
Too bad I cannot remember a title for the discovery channel thing..
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Arnold Howard
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 4:44 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Can this save you some money?
From: "W J Seidl"
> and found the microwave to be an "acceptable" way to
> quickly dry
> porcelain. YMMV...test test test etc.
I have been testing a small $149 ceramic fiber kiln that
fits into a standard microwave oven. The kiln reaches 1650F
in about 5 minutes. I have learned to make glass pendants in
it with consistent results.
Sincerely,
Arnold Howard
Paragon Industries, L.P., Mesquite, Texas USA
ahoward@paragonweb.com / www.paragonweb.com
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W J Seidl on mon 29 sep 08
Lee:
Go to www.ceramicindustry.com (<article "Riding the Wave".
It details industry's use of microwave technology, such as "microwave
assisted" furnaces that cut
electric use from 540Kw down to 30Kw (!!) or so for the same load of
product.
They're in use in the US, Japan, Germany, some other parts of Europe too.
This has strong implications for _our_ side of ceramics, I should think.
I've already done some experimentation (amid much wailing and gnashing
of teeth by the partner) in our kitchen microwave
and found the microwave to be an "acceptable" way to quickly dry
porcelain. YMMV...test test test etc.
It bears more study, especially with the price of energy these days.
(And for the record, I suggested a combination microwave/wood kiln years
ago...the idea which got shot down. HA!)
Best,
Wayne
in sunny Waite Maine
Lee Love wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Marian wrote:
>
>> I believe this was Wayne's original url:
>>
>> http://www.ceramicindustry.com/CDA/Articles/Article_Rotation/BNP_GUID_9-5-2006_A_10000000000000407305
>>
>
> Still not working. How about a once sentence synopsis?
>
> --
> Lee Love in Minneapolis
> http://heartclay.blogspot.com/
> http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
> http://claycraft.blogspot.com/
>
> "Let the beauty we love be what we do.
> There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground." --Rumi
>
>
Arnold Howard on mon 29 sep 08
From: "W J Seidl"
> and found the microwave to be an "acceptable" way to
> quickly dry
> porcelain. YMMV...test test test etc.
I have been testing a small $149 ceramic fiber kiln that
fits into a standard microwave oven. The kiln reaches 1650F
in about 5 minutes. I have learned to make glass pendants in
it with consistent results.
Sincerely,
Arnold Howard
Paragon Industries, L.P., Mesquite, Texas USA
ahoward@paragonweb.com / www.paragonweb.com
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