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steve graber on wed 5 mar 08


reminds me of still another issue...

years back a chiropractor had me go to a podiatrist (foot doctor) to get orthodics for my feet.

back pain was gone in 3 days.

seems my crappy feet had me walking and standing weird and i got back pain. with orthodics in my shoes i stood better.

works well all year until summer when i run bare foot and back pain comes back.

now if i could get orthodics made for my flip flops i'd be fine all summer too.

see ya

Steve Graber, Graber's Pottery, Inc
Claremont, California USA
The Steve Tool - for awesum texture on pots!
www.graberspottery.com steve@graberspottery.com



----- Original Message ----
From: mel jacobson
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2008 5:08:25 PM
Subject: throwing pains

i have had some really bad back trouble, throwing pains.
shoulder flared, etc.

went to my old, old orthopedic.
i knew he would say....`live with it`.
he did a series of xrays...found where i broke my
back falling off the roof. all healed now.

but, this time he gave me some really great
advice.
`mel, change everything, how you throw pots, work, sleep...all of
it.`

so i did.
added 2.5 inches to my throwing stool.
added a velcro belt around my waist...cinched.
( you know, like the folks at home depot wear. seven bucks.)
i rolled over and started sleeping on my left side.
would not change.
it moved the pressure off my L5 and the pinched nerve was
released. the shoulder was on top...and got a rest.

been making pots like mad..no pain.
been doing extra swimming and aerobics.
feeling good.
so.
changing everything worked for me.
i hope this helps some of you that have issues
throwing pots. change. try a new way.
how you sleep, how you work.
it does make a difference.
i even changed reading chairs, how i sit and read.
and, that was really hard to do.
mel
rickets recover human.
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mel jacobson on wed 5 mar 08


i have had some really bad back trouble, throwing pains.
shoulder flared, etc.

went to my old, old orthopedic.
i knew he would say....`live with it`.
he did a series of xrays...found where i broke my
back falling off the roof. all healed now.

but, this time he gave me some really great
advice.
`mel, change everything, how you throw pots, work, sleep...all of
it.`

so i did.
added 2.5 inches to my throwing stool.
added a velcro belt around my waist...cinched.
( you know, like the folks at home depot wear. seven bucks.)
i rolled over and started sleeping on my left side.
would not change.
it moved the pressure off my L5 and the pinched nerve was
released. the shoulder was on top...and got a rest.

been making pots like mad..no pain.
been doing extra swimming and aerobics.
feeling good.
so.
changing everything worked for me.
i hope this helps some of you that have issues
throwing pots. change. try a new way.
how you sleep, how you work.
it does make a difference.
i even changed reading chairs, how i sit and read.
and, that was really hard to do.
mel
rickets recover human.
from minnetonka:
website http://www.visi.com/~melpots/
clayart site:
http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html

pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on thu 6 mar 08


Hi Dale,



Lol...

I was thinking about the same thing!


I have worked near every day for ever on bare Concrete, Construction gigs or
in my own Shop, and always, since I
was in my early teens, for hiking and school and everything else except
Suit and Tie days, I have worn WWII type, Cap-Toe, 22 eyelet Lace Up Boots,
or the 'black' versions that came after, called 'Jump Boots' usually now.


The early pattern was best -

Viz: ( the second one down )
http://shopping.msn.com/results/shoes/bcatid4498/corcoran/2-4546105/forsale?text=category:shoes+Brand:Corcoran


These have good arches, and are comfortable from the get-go and I have never
once had tired Feet or any issues I was aware of incidental to hiking
forays, or standing or
working on Concrete all the time.

While not 'Steel Toe', if you have to kick something or someone, or set
something heavy-ish on your foot, you can do it righteously in these with
Happy Feet and no regrets.

Wolverine, Red Wing and others of course have Civilian Boots which all have
their charms also...but none of these companys anylonger make an old style
Work Boot far as I know.

'Doc Martins' are a joke, at best burlesquing actual earnest Boots of times
passed, made for fashion 'mall' chicks or who knows,but I would not want
them far as I have seen.

So far as a "plain" honest Cap Toe Boot, these 'Corcoran' ones are the last
I now of.

I never liked the asymmetrical Toe of Lineman's Boots, though I do have some
which are I guess 40 eyelet or so and come up to just below the knee, for
Motorcycle or Equestrian scenarios or other, with Breeches where you'd wear
those instead of Hard Leather Puttees or Gaitors. Not an issue of course for
Clay Studios or Wood Shops, but in other contexts, it is...





Phil
l v

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Neese"


> Nothing I believe is better for the feet when standing on a concrete
> studio
> floor all day than some good ole Wolverine lace up work boots. Getting up
> from wheel often, alternate placing your foot up on the wedging table and
> stretching. The boots are not a fashion statement with shorts here in warm
> south Texas but they feel great!
>
> Dale Tex
> "across the alley from the Alamo"
> San Antonio, Texas USA
> http://www.daleneese.com

Lee on thu 6 mar 08


Something I thought I should share. When I come to the USA from
Japan, not only do my allergies/asthma dissappear, so do my joint
problems. I think both are due to inflammation.

I forgot to pack more than my emergency stash of allergy meds
last summmer, and so I ran out before Jean could mail them to me from
Japan. But I found I was symptom free here without the meds. It
took me another week to noticed, but one morning, I got up and
realized my shoulder pain was gone.

I didn't have allergy symptoms in Japan until after I lived
there 3 years. Someone told me it often takes two or three years
before they show up.

--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/

"I would love to live like a river flows, carried by the surprise of
its own unfolding." -- John O'Donohue

Mike Gordon on thu 6 mar 08


While I was teaching, throwing, stacking & unstacking kilns I had
constant back pain. 30 yrs of cement floors didn't help either. Since
we spend a lot of time scrunched over the wheel, I spent $30.00 for a
"sports ball", an inflatable rubber ball that comes in several sizes
to fit different sized people. Roll onto your back from a sitting
position, and try to get your head as far back as you can without pain.
If you can get your hips up on the top of the ball with your head
hanging down towards the floor, even better, than roll back up till
your shoulders are supported by the ball and repeat rolling back and
forth. It feels great. Lots of cracks & groans at first. Especially if
you can keep from falling off! Keep your legs spread for stability. Ice
packs on my sciatic nerve and Glucosamine Chondroitin Complex kept me
going. You can rest your legs up on the ball while having a cold one at
the end of the day,too!! Retirement is good, I recommend it. Mike
Gordon

Dale Neese on thu 6 mar 08


Nothing I believe is better for the feet when standing on a concrete studio
floor all day than some good ole Wolverine lace up work boots. Getting up
from wheel often, alternate placing your foot up on the wedging table and
stretching. The boots are not a fashion statement with shorts here in warm
south Texas but they feel great!

Dale Tex
"across the alley from the Alamo"
San Antonio, Texas USA
http://www.daleneese.com

Dale Neese on fri 7 mar 08


Phil,
Ah, yes. Nice boots! I also worked a fair amount of time in the construction
industry, HVAC, welding, brick mason, printing plant. 12 hour days on
concrete. Work boots even with OSHA required steel toes the work boots made
the time tolerable and gave my dogs great support. I've just worn out pairs
of Wolverines and keep coming back for more. With those knee high lace ups
you pictured, I'd have to goose step into the studio each morning kick some
clay around with the steel toes!
I don't know why my feet ache sometimes. Probably Arthritis. My Mom had
Polio before I was born but I've always been healthy. I change shoes often,
have some custom supports. Already had one knee worked on and the other one
is needing it. My orthopedic surgeon told me that my problems come from
sitting too long at the wheel. He said he sees the same condition from long
haul truckers and accountants. On their butts all the time. So I've been
getting up and performing some leg stretches for 10 minutes. Helps the back
too by raising the wheel up several inches. Just got a free treadmill from a
friend that was using it as a clothes hanger. I've been walking at a fast
pace for 20 minutes every day or so and that has really helped all the way
around. I just want to be physically able to keep producing without pain for
as long as I can. I keep my monthly appointment with my masseuse for a full
body deep tissue massage. This guy is good! Concentrates on my feet, arms
and hands. The massage is one luxury I feel that I can afford to keep doing
to keep going. Getting old is not for sissies.
Thanks for your recommendation on the work boots!

Dale Tex
"across the alley from the Alamo"
San Antonio, Texas USA
http://www.daleneese.com

pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on fri 7 mar 08


Hi Tom,



You have a good point.

I am used to it and I almost never think about it...

But if I was to think about it, I'd also talk to the delivery guys who
exchange various kinds of 'mats' to Banks, Offices, Restaurants and small
Manufacturing companys and so on, where, back at the Barn so-to-speak, those
rental supply companys would have all sorts of Mats which have got past the
rentable point or which got a little blem or something and one could get
those very reasonably ( actually, the one time I did call and talk to one of
these supply company's managers, he said "How many Hundred do you want?"
Lol...and he meant 'free', too... all kinds... )


Phil
l v


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Brook"


> For those whose workspace has a concrete floor-it will do hell on your
> feet
> legs and back if not right away definitely over time. It was well worth it
> for us to put a cheap subfloor over the top of it. Make a frame and nail
> some cheaper wood to it and seal it with paint or some cheap linoleum.
> Makes
> a big difference and your body will thank you. We tried the antifatigue
> mats
> which worked a bit but putting a false floor on top of the concrete worked
> much better. Changing positions and moving in different ways, exercising
> different muscles and trying to let go of tension and rushing all have
> proven to be helpful to us. It is good to read what others find helpful.
> Younger people I hope take note even if you are not feeling pain now.
> Prevention is worth it. Effects on the body and how to avoid injury
> sounds
> like it would make a good mandatory course in the Ceramics curriculum in
> schools and Universities for those that don't already have a course on
> t. -Tom

steve graber on fri 7 mar 08


brings up another idea - while i don't throw as much as a lot here do, i found making sure i GET UP after throwing a pot and moving it to the other side of the room is good for my knees. i used to throw and simply move the pot to a rack on my side without leaving my chair. i thought that was efficient.

~ maybe it is.... but generally over a day it's efficient to also be able to move my knees too... like for walking back to the house?

see ya

Steve Graber, Graber's Pottery, Inc
Claremont, California USA
The Steve Tool - for awesum texture on pots!
www.graberspottery.com steve@graberspottery.com



----- Original Message ----
From: Tom Brook
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Friday, March 7, 2008 9:54:45 AM
Subject: Re: throwing pains

For those whose workspace has a concrete floor-it will do hell on your feet
legs and back if not right away definitely over time. It was well worth it
for us to put a cheap subfloor over the top of it. Make a frame and nail
some cheaper wood to it and seal it with paint or some cheap linoleum. Makes
a big difference and your body will thank you. We tried the antifatigue mats
which worked a bit but putting a false floor on top of the concrete worked
much better. Changing positions and moving in different ways, exercising
different muscles and trying to let go of tension and rushing all have
proven to be helpful to us. It is good to read what others find helpful.
Younger people I hope take note even if you are not feeling pain now.
Prevention is worth it. Effects on the body and how to avoid injury sounds
like it would make a good mandatory course in the Ceramics curriculum in
schools and Universities for those that don't already have a course on it. -Tom

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Tom Brook on fri 7 mar 08


For those whose workspace has a concrete floor-it will do hell on your feet
legs and back if not right away definitely over time. It was well worth it
for us to put a cheap subfloor over the top of it. Make a frame and nail
some cheaper wood to it and seal it with paint or some cheap linoleum. Makes
a big difference and your body will thank you. We tried the antifatigue mats
which worked a bit but putting a false floor on top of the concrete worked
much better. Changing positions and moving in different ways, exercising
different muscles and trying to let go of tension and rushing all have
proven to be helpful to us. It is good to read what others find helpful.
Younger people I hope take note even if you are not feeling pain now.
Prevention is worth it. Effects on the body and how to avoid injury sounds
like it would make a good mandatory course in the Ceramics curriculum in
schools and Universities for those that don't already have a course on it. -Tom

Craig Rhodes on fri 7 mar 08


Mel,

Everything you recount sounds familiar to this 60 year old body including
the solutions.

But my question is...What the blue blazes were you doing up on a roof!!!!
Don't you know that that's what young bucks are for?!!

:-)

Craig
www.jcrhodes.com

steve graber on fri 7 mar 08


now that's two testimonials for that kind of boot. i'd have never known.

thanks! i'll add them one of these days.

see ya

Steve Graber, Graber's Pottery, Inc
Claremont, California USA
The Steve Tool - for awesum texture on pots!
www.graberspottery.com steve@graberspottery.com



----- Original Message ----
From: "pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET"
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2008 7:12:54 PM
Subject: Re: throwing pains

Hi Dale,



Lol...

I was thinking about the same thing!


I have worked near every day for ever on bare Concrete, Construction gigs or
in my own Shop, and always, since I
was in my early teens, for hiking and school and everything else except
Suit and Tie days, I have worn WWII type, Cap-Toe, 22 eyelet Lace Up Boots,
or the 'black' versions that came after, called 'Jump Boots' usually now.


The early pattern was best -

Viz: ( the second one down )
http://shopping.msn.com/results/shoes/bcatid4498/corcoran/2-4546105/forsale?text=category:shoes+Brand:Corcoran


These have good arches, and are comfortable from the get-go and I have never
once had tired Feet or any issues I was aware of incidental to hiking
forays, or standing or
working on Concrete all the time.

While not 'Steel Toe', if you have to kick something or someone, or set
something heavy-ish on your foot, you can do it righteously in these with
Happy Feet and no regrets.

Wolverine, Red Wing and others of course have Civilian Boots which all have
their charms also...but none of these companys anylonger make an old style
Work Boot far as I know.

'Doc Martins' are a joke, at best burlesquing actual earnest Boots of times
passed, made for fashion 'mall' chicks or who knows,but I would not want
them far as I have seen.

So far as a "plain" honest Cap Toe Boot, these 'Corcoran' ones are the last
I now of.

I never liked the asymmetrical Toe of Lineman's Boots, though I do have some
which are I guess 40 eyelet or so and come up to just below the knee, for
Motorcycle or Equestrian scenarios or other, with Breeches where you'd wear
those instead of Hard Leather Puttees or Gaitors. Not an issue of course for
Clay Studios or Wood Shops, but in other contexts, it is...





Phil
l v

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Neese"


> Nothing I believe is better for the feet when standing on a concrete
> studio
> floor all day than some good ole Wolverine lace up work boots. Getting up
> from wheel often, alternate placing your foot up on the wedging table and
> stretching. The boots are not a fashion statement with shorts here in warm
> south Texas but they feel great!
>
> Dale Tex
> "across the alley from the Alamo"
> San Antonio, Texas USA
> http://www.daleneese.com

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KATHI LESUEUR on fri 7 mar 08


On Mar 6, 2008, at 3:21 PM, Dale Neese wrote:

> Nothing I believe is better for the feet when standing on a
> concrete studio
> floor all day than some good ole Wolverine lace up work boots.
> Getting up
> from wheel often, alternate placing your foot up on the wedging
> table and
> stretching. The boots are not a fashion statement with shorts here
> in warm
> south Texas but they feel great!

I have a friend who swears by those boots. But, they aren't for me.
After spending tons of money on all kinds of shoes, another potter
said to try Crocs. I couldn't believe those things would help the
terrible leg pains I was getting but they were cheap, so why not try
them. Well, they've been the best thing for my feet. The leg pain
disappeared and I now use the closed toe, higher heel winter Crocs.
For my back pain, I've learned that a night in a Lazy-Boy recliner
takes care of it. The point is, keep trying things until you find
what works for you. Most leg and back pain can be minimized by
changing something in your routine.

Kathi Lesueur
>
>

Susan Fox Hirschmann on fri 7 mar 08


In a message dated 3/7/2008 6:42:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kathi@LESUEURCLAYWORK.COM writes:

Most leg and back pain can be minimized by
changing something in your routine.

I would like to add that increasing your "core" strength....thru abdominal
and back exercises, in fact full body workouts with modest weights, can also
minimize such pain. Increasing your strength and flexiblity is a great way to
PREVENT leg and back pain, but must be done slowly and with proper understanding
of body mechanics and form.
I am happy to discuss this with anyone at NCECA......
Susan
Annandale, VA
who, in her spare time, is a certified personal trainer!





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Marty Morgan on sat 8 mar 08


No claims at medical authority here, but I've found that cutting way back on
the sodium in my diet seems to help with joint pain. If you examine labels
for sodium content you'll be amazed at how much there is in every packaged
food. Tamari, which I love in stir fries, has 960 mg per tablespoon - way
more than we need in a day.



Am also trying to remember to get up and stretch every half hour when
working at the wheel.



Marty Morgan



Looking forward to Pittsburgh!

Janet Price on sat 8 mar 08


When I had heel pain a year or two ago, switching from birkies to the
croc flip-flops cured the problem within a couple weeks. I now wear
them almost year round. (I have hot feet and prefer some kind of
sandals unless I'm walking on ice or in snow or it's well below
freezing.) Crocs somehow have just the right amount of stiffness in the
sole to soften impacts. They're great!

Janet

KATHI LESUEUR wrote:
> On Mar 6, 2008, at 3:21 PM, Dale Neese wrote:
>
>> Nothing I believe is better for the feet when standing on a
>> concrete studio
>> floor all day than some good ole Wolverine lace up work boots.
>> Getting up
>> from wheel often, alternate placing your foot up on the wedging
>> table and
>> stretching. The boots are not a fashion statement with shorts here
>> in warm
>> south Texas but they feel great!
>
> I have a friend who swears by those boots. But, they aren't for me.
> After spending tons of money on all kinds of shoes, another potter
> said to try Crocs. I couldn't believe those things would help the
> terrible leg pains I was getting but they were cheap, so why not try
> them. Well, they've been the best thing for my feet. The leg pain
> disappeared and I now use the closed toe, higher heel winter Crocs.
> For my back pain, I've learned that a night in a Lazy-Boy recliner
> takes care of it. The point is, keep trying things until you find
> what works for you. Most leg and back pain can be minimized by
> changing something in your routine.
>
> Kathi Lesueur
>>
>>
>
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Lee on sat 8 mar 08


On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 6:15 PM, steve graber wrote:
> now that's two testimonials for that kind of boot. i'd have never known.

My father's last work was for Wolverine. But, I find that
modern shoes have much better support, unless Wolverine has upgraded
over the years.
--=20
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he
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within itself." -- John O'Donohue

June Perry on sun 9 mar 08


Ditto on the crocs. They were designed by two orthopedic doctors. In fact,
they now have their own line now which I prefer because the original crocs are
way too wide for my feet, even their supposedly narrower ones.
They're super lightweight, comfortable and so easy to clean. I use them in
the studio and in the garden.




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These, I use, are Norwegian Kelp (washed to remove excess salt.)

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Forrest on tue 11 mar 08


Susan,

Do you have any hints for a) getting rid of tendonitis in my right arm and
b) preventing this from happening again? I've been sidelined for several
months. I can't take asprin or NSAIDs and cortisone shots are also out for
me. I've been doing the ice/rest/heat/stretch routine but my arm isn't
getting any better. Help! I can't throw!

I already use very soft clay.

Thanks,
Rosemary


On 3/7/08 9:37 PM, "Susan Fox Hirschmann" wrote:

> In a message dated 3/7/2008 6:42:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> kathi@LESUEURCLAYWORK.COM writes:
>
> Most leg and back pain can be minimized by
> changing something in your routine.
>
> I would like to add that increasing your "core" strength....thru abdominal
> and back exercises, in fact full body workouts with modest weights, can also
> minimize such pain. Increasing your strength and flexiblity is a great way to
> PREVENT leg and back pain, but must be done slowly and with proper
> understanding
> of body mechanics and form.
> I am happy to discuss this with anyone at NCECA......
> Susan
> Annandale, VA
> who, in her spare time, is a certified personal trainer!
>
>
>
>
>
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Susan Fox Hirschmann on tue 11 mar 08


In a message dated 3/11/2008 9:33:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
razz51@COMCAST.NET writes:

Susan,

Do you have any hints for a) getting rid of tendonitis in my right arm and
b) preventing this from happening again? I've been sidelined for several
months. I can't take asprin or NSAIDs and cortisone shots are also out for
me. I've been doing the ice/rest/heat/stretch routine but my arm isn't
getting any better. Help! I can't throw!

I already use very soft clay.

Thanks,
Rosemary

Rosemary,
Have you discussed this with you dr? ARe you sure that it is tendonitis?

I think right now, you need to work on recovery and then you can work on some
strengthening/flexiblity exercises to work on preventing its reoccurence.
That I can help you with....however, I am not a physician and I am not permitted
to practise medicine without a license!...I am merely a certified personal
trainer that can help you once you are your healthy self again. You would need
to ask your dr. for a clearance on exercises...and whether that is ok to do
right now? Otherwise, you do not want to complicate the problem and really want
to work on healing.

Have you ever tried "tiger balm"---it is really a homeopathic remedy that you
rub on the problem area. You get it at health food stores, and it is
topical...and is often a good thing for soreness, particularly muscular soreness.

Does elevating that arm on a pillow for a while help you to feel better?

Are you going to NCECA? I will be there in the clayart room at some time,
and hope we can meet up.I certainly would like to help you in any way that I
can....and will talk to you more about it, once you have answers to these
questions.
Warm regards,
Susan Fox-Hirschmann
Annandale, VA





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Susan Fox Hirschmann on wed 12 mar 08


In a message dated 3/12/2008 10:07:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
nguido0821@COMCAST.NET writes:

Hatha yoga is saving me.

nancy g.

Any kind of yoga is GREAT for that!
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Nancy Guido on wed 12 mar 08


Hatha yoga is saving me.

nancy g.

Forrest on wed 12 mar 08


>
> Rosemary,
> Have you discussed this with you dr? ARe you sure that it is tendonitis?
>
> I think right now, you need to work on recovery and then you can work on some
> strengthening/flexiblity exercises to work on preventing its reoccurence.
> That I can help you with....however, I am not a physician and I am not
> permitted
> to practise medicine without a license!...I am merely a certified personal
> trainer that can help you once you are your healthy self again. You would
> need
> to ask your dr. for a clearance on exercises...and whether that is ok to do
> right now? Otherwise, you do not want to complicate the problem and really
> want
> to work on healing.
>
> Have you ever tried "tiger balm"---it is really a homeopathic remedy that you
> rub on the problem area. You get it at health food stores, and it is
> topical...and is often a good thing for soreness, particularly muscular
> soreness.
>
> Does elevating that arm on a pillow for a while help you to feel better?
>
> Are you going to NCECA? I will be there in the clayart room at some time,
> and hope we can meet up.I certainly would like to help you in any way that I
> can....and will talk to you more about it, once you have answers to these
> questions.
> Warm regards,
> Susan Fox-Hirschmann
> Annandale, VA
>
>
>
Susan,

Thanks. Yes I have seen a doctor, two actually, my family practice guy and
an orthopedic surgeon. The ortho guy gave me one exercise to do but it
actually hurts to do it. He also gave me a cortisone shot but I can't have
another. I think this has gotten worse, not better. I've tried a number of
rubs, including tiger balm. I'm using a prescription cream/patch now
(Flector) that includes a transdermal agent with a anti-inflammatory.
Elevation and a pillow do help but only while doing this. As soon as I use
the arm for anything, the pain worsens. The brace helps a little but
doesn't not appear to be curative.

It seems everyone is at a loss as to what to do next. This has bothered me
since last fall and for the last couple of months I've not been able throw
at all.

I know this is a common injury among potters. My present teacher said he
battled it for a year once but has no wise solutions for me other than to
wait it out.

Any suggestions would be welcome. (And thanks to the others who also
responded.)

I won't be at NCECA, unfortunately. Thanks.

Rosemary Forrest

Melissa Schooley on thu 13 mar 08



It's saving me too!!!!
I would HIGHLY recommend it to EVERYONE!

Melissa Schooley
www.ragingbowlpottery.com


"Hatha yoga is saving me."



nancy g.







KATHI LESUEUR on thu 13 mar 08


On Mar 12, 2008, at 11:33 PM, Forrest wrote:

>>
>> Rosemary,
>> Have you discussed this with you dr? ARe you sure that it is
>> tendonitis?
>>
>>
>>
> Susan,
>
> Thanks. Yes I have seen a doctor, two actually, my family practice
> guy and
> an orthopedic surgeon. The ortho guy gave me one exercise to do but it
> actually hurts to do it. He also gave me a cortisone shot but I
> can't have
> another. I think this has gotten worse, not better.


Rosemary,
I wish I knew where you lived because if you were from around here
I'd send you to my surgeon. That said, I'd seek another doctor's
advice. If you know anyone in the medical profession, nurses, aides,
anyone, ask them who a physical therapist recommends. They are the
ones who have to deal with the outcome of the surgeon's work. They
know who is really good, and who is just ok. Find out who is best and
then ask for a referral to that person.

I battled with a shoulder injury for two years. At the time my
primary physician had retired so I didn't have anyone to tell me who
to see. The first doctor I saw sent me for physical therapy. He did
no x-rays and no MRI. I did get better. But, about a year later the
pain was back. But then I had a new primary physician who I really
liked and who was really on the ball. She ordered an MRI, saw the
results and immediately sent me to a surgeon. I called my PT and
asked who she recommended. It was the same surgeon and she said he's
the only one she'd let work on her. That doctor was pissed as hell
that the first didn't at least x-ray. He would have seen damage just
from that. And, had he, my surgery would have been far simpler.

If you haven't had an MRI I don't see how anyone knows what is
causing your pain. One exercise is not enough. If you are in that
much pain you should, at least, be in physical therapy. That includes
exercises, massage, stretching, maybe electrical stimulation, heat
and ice treatments.

You need to get aggressive here. There is a reason for your pain. If
the surgeon isn't willing to find out why, have someone else look at
it. This is treatable. I thought my career was over. I couldn't raise
my arm above my head. The pain was constant. But, here I am years
later making pots everyday.

If you are anywhere near southeast Michigan, I'll give you the name
of my doctor. He's great.

Kathi

Forrest on thu 13 mar 08


I know yoga is good for getting and staying in shape but are you saying
doing yoga cured tendonitis? Or has it prevented you from suffering from
this?

Thanks,
Rosemary


On 3/12/08 10:32 PM, "Susan Fox Hirschmann" wrote:

> In a message dated 3/12/2008 10:07:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> nguido0821@COMCAST.NET writes:
>
> Hatha yoga is saving me.
>
> nancy g.
>
> Any kind of yoga is GREAT for that!
> Susan
>
>
>
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Forrest on thu 13 mar 08


Second try here:.

Thank you! There is a reason for my pain and I wish I could afford to
insist on an MRI, etc. Without insurance, such care gets pricey fast. This
is a vicious circle. I have pain; I can't make pots. I can't make pots; I
can't pay for care. I live in a very good community as far as medical stuff
goes, we have a teaching college here and my doc is among the best but I
will seek another opinion.

Rosemary


On 3/13/08 1:23 PM, "KATHI LESUEUR" wrote:

> On Mar 12, 2008, at 11:33 PM, Forrest wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Rosemary,
>>> Have you discussed this with you dr? ARe you sure that it is
>>> tendonitis?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Susan,
>>
>> Thanks. Yes I have seen a doctor, two actually, my family practice
>> guy and
>> an orthopedic surgeon. The ortho guy gave me one exercise to do but it
>> actually hurts to do it. He also gave me a cortisone shot but I
>> can't have
>> another. I think this has gotten worse, not better.
>
>
> Rosemary,
> I wish I knew where you lived because if you were from around here
> I'd send you to my surgeon. That said, I'd seek another doctor's
> advice. If you know anyone in the medical profession, nurses, aides,
> anyone, ask them who a physical therapist recommends. They are the
> ones who have to deal with the outcome of the surgeon's work. They
> know who is really good, and who is just ok. Find out who is best and
> then ask for a referral to that person.
>
> I battled with a shoulder injury for two years. At the time my
> primary physician had retired so I didn't have anyone to tell me who
> to see. The first doctor I saw sent me for physical therapy. He did
> no x-rays and no MRI. I did get better. But, about a year later the
> pain was back. But then I had a new primary physician who I really
> liked and who was really on the ball. She ordered an MRI, saw the
> results and immediately sent me to a surgeon. I called my PT and
> asked who she recommended. It was the same surgeon and she said he's
> the only one she'd let work on her. That doctor was pissed as hell
> that the first didn't at least x-ray. He would have seen damage just
> from that. And, had he, my surgery would have been far simpler.
>
> If you haven't had an MRI I don't see how anyone knows what is
> causing your pain. One exercise is not enough. If you are in that
> much pain you should, at least, be in physical therapy. That includes
> exercises, massage, stretching, maybe electrical stimulation, heat
> and ice treatments.
>
> You need to get aggressive here. There is a reason for your pain. If
> the surgeon isn't willing to find out why, have someone else look at
> it. This is treatable. I thought my career was over. I couldn't raise
> my arm above my head. The pain was constant. But, here I am years
> later making pots everyday.
>
> If you are anywhere near southeast Michigan, I'll give you the name
> of my doctor. He's great.
>
> Kathi
>
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Forrest on thu 13 mar 08


Thank you! I'm not near you; I'm in GA. I think you are right; there is a
reason for my


On 3/13/08 1:23 PM, "KATHI LESUEUR" wrote:

> On Mar 12, 2008, at 11:33 PM, Forrest wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Rosemary,
>>> Have you discussed this with you dr? ARe you sure that it is
>>> tendonitis?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Susan,
>>
>> Thanks. Yes I have seen a doctor, two actually, my family practice
>> guy and
>> an orthopedic surgeon. The ortho guy gave me one exercise to do but it
>> actually hurts to do it. He also gave me a cortisone shot but I
>> can't have
>> another. I think this has gotten worse, not better.
>
>
> Rosemary,
> I wish I knew where you lived because if you were from around here
> I'd send you to my surgeon. That said, I'd seek another doctor's
> advice. If you know anyone in the medical profession, nurses, aides,
> anyone, ask them who a physical therapist recommends. They are the
> ones who have to deal with the outcome of the surgeon's work. They
> know who is really good, and who is just ok. Find out who is best and
> then ask for a referral to that person.
>
> I battled with a shoulder injury for two years. At the time my
> primary physician had retired so I didn't have anyone to tell me who
> to see. The first doctor I saw sent me for physical therapy. He did
> no x-rays and no MRI. I did get better. But, about a year later the
> pain was back. But then I had a new primary physician who I really
> liked and who was really on the ball. She ordered an MRI, saw the
> results and immediately sent me to a surgeon. I called my PT and
> asked who she recommended. It was the same surgeon and she said he's
> the only one she'd let work on her. That doctor was pissed as hell
> that the first didn't at least x-ray. He would have seen damage just
> from that. And, had he, my surgery would have been far simpler.
>
> If you haven't had an MRI I don't see how anyone knows what is
> causing your pain. One exercise is not enough. If you are in that
> much pain you should, at least, be in physical therapy. That includes
> exercises, massage, stretching, maybe electrical stimulation, heat
> and ice treatments.
>
> You need to get aggressive here. There is a reason for your pain. If
> the surgeon isn't willing to find out why, have someone else look at
> it. This is treatable. I thought my career was over. I couldn't raise
> my arm above my head. The pain was constant. But, here I am years
> later making pots everyday.
>
> If you are anywhere near southeast Michigan, I'll give you the name
> of my doctor. He's great.
>
> Kathi
>
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Nancy Guido on fri 14 mar 08


"I know yoga is good for getting and staying in shape but are you saying
doing yoga cured tendonitis? Or has it prevented you from suffering from
this?

Thanks,
Rosemary"

I have had tendinitis in the past, bad...I play tennis. I've learned how to keep it from happening. From what I understand, this is an injury that comes from imbalance. One area is overworked and another is not. So in yoga, we work all areas to keep them even, in balance.

Get the tendinitis fixed first. It is an inflammation. Then start a yoga program slowly and tell your yoga instructor so they are aware of what you should or should not be doing.

nancy g.

Arnold Howard on fri 14 mar 08


From: "Melissa Schooley"
> It's saving me too!!!!
> I would HIGHLY recommend it to EVERYONE!
> "Hatha yoga is saving me."
> nancy g.

Hatha yoga is wonderful exercise, but you must proceed very
slowly and without force. When I was 13, I dislocated my
knee while sitting in the lotus posture. I was learning
hatha yoga from a book. The knee popped back in place a
moment later.

Many years ago I took a few yoga classes from the IYI in
Dallas. I still practice simple stretching exercises and the
head stand. If you do the head stand incorrectly, though,
you can pop your back out of place. One of the benefits of
the headstand, at least for me, is that it helps prevent
sinus headaches. I don't know the physiology behind that.

Sincerely,

Arnold Howard
Paragon Industries, L.P., Mesquite, Texas USA
ahoward@paragonweb.com / www.paragonweb.com

Susan Fox Hirschmann on fri 14 mar 08


In a message dated 3/14/2008 8:43:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
nguido0821@COMCAST.NET writes:

Get the tendinitis fixed first. It is an inflammation. Then start a yoga
program slowly and tell your yoga instructor so they are aware of what you
should or should not be doing.

Yes, Healing first is the key....then start a "gentle" yoga class or first
class of yoga 1....don't go dropping into a yoga 1 class that is a few weeks
into the session as you will get a bit more advanced moves.
And go slowly...only as far as your body wants to stretch. Pain is a sign
that something is wrong.
It is there for us to listen to it.
Yoga has totally increased my flexiblity and tho I still lift weights 3 times
a week, yoga is an important part of a total exercise program. It is my
"warm up" for the work I love!
Susan
Annandale, VA



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On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Arnold Howard wr=
ote:

>
> Hatha yoga is wonderful exercise, but you must proceed very
> slowly and without force. When I was 13, I dislocated my
> knee while sitting in the lotus posture. I was learning
> hatha yoga from a book. The knee popped back in place a
> moment later.

My son teaches here:

http://www.trikainstitute.org/

I started him in martial arts when he was 14, after a
Vietnamese buddy of his was put in the emergency room when he was
jumped at school.

He is teaching M.A. witin the yoga school. His first
art was a modern version of a Filipino style, a version that didn't
include a spiritual aspect. I am glad he found his way to one.
There is a big difference between a warrior and a butt kicker.

Yoga is more than postures, as a yoga friend of mine used to
tell folks. But it is a way to get your attention.

--=20
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/

"Ta tIr na n-=F3g ar chul an tI=97tIr dlainn trina ch=E9ile"=97that is, "T=
he
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue