Keba M Hitzeman on wed 24 oct 07
Wayne,
That was just beautiful...I've just put that on my agenda for winter break.
Keba
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From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of WJ Seidl
Sent: Wednesday, 24 October, 2007 16:35
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: trimming part two
With all due respect to Ms Dolita, I must disagree.
Most of the world is not awake when I have time to throw and trim. I
work on a... well, "eclectic" schedule. That's true for most
professionals doing what I do. Up at 3AM, done with most of the
commercial work by 7:30AM, then back to the residential work around 1PM
and done by 6 or so. It's a strange way to make a living, being on a
split shift, but it has it's perks. Early AM potting is just one of them.
I see the world when most of its two and four legged inhabitants are
snoring (oh yes you do, hard enough to ruffle the curtains...don't try
to deny it...I do too ).
So when I throw, it's usually after midnight, when the "rest" of the
world is asleep. Visitors to my outside workspace are raccoons, some of
the neighborhood cats, land crabs
scurrying by on their way to their next meal under some bush in the back
yard, the African barking tree frogs hunting and occasionally the tree
rats looking for "tasty morsels" that the
local fruit trees (and neighborhood cat food dishes) provide. Nocturnal
creatures, all quiet. Sometimes they sit on the wall near me and watch.
I never disturb them, they don't bother me. Win, win. I've been closer
to animals that no one else ever gets a chance to see than most. At that
hour, you get a chance to "go within" as Mark mentioned, meditate, think.
At that hour, you can concentrate easily, give yourself over to full
immersion in what you're doing. No barking dogs, no traffic noise, few
sirens...the world is at peace (seems like the only time these days).
Just a gentle hum of a wheel (or not, if I'm on a kick wheel), the
barely discernible grating sound of a trimming tool, the soft "squish"
of a sponge or a rib on clay. You have the night creatures and the
stars, and your thoughts to keep you company. You can do worse.
If you're lucky, you can catch a glimpse of the space station as it
passes over. It's the biggest brightest thing in the sky at that hour.
I'm less than 6 feet from a neighbor's bedroom window; in 15 years she
has never heard me at night. Or so she says. (I've asked, I certainly
don't want to bother anyone, after all. I try to be a good neighbor.)
I recommend 2 AM highly. Turn off your TV some evening, go take a two
or three hour nap instead.
Then, get up "early early" have a cuppa, and go throw something. It's a
whole different world.
Best,
Wayne Seidl
Dolita Dohrman wrote:
> That is why I have a nice big damp box. No way am I trimming at 2:00 am
> Dolita
>
> On Oct 24, 2007, at 9:48 AM, mel jacobson wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> i would trim pots at 2 a.m. if they were perfect for trimming.
>
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mel jacobson on wed 24 oct 07
i think too, finding that perfect wet/dry/time to trim
makes all the difference.
i have always said.
`you trim/turn when the pot is ready and perfect, not
when you are ready or wanting to trim.`
i would trim pots at 2 a.m. if they were perfect for trimming.
it is the big problem with art centers, mfa projects.
the pots are perfect when you are not there...so, when
you get there, they are still too wet, or too dry.
also:
use a variety of tools.
bison's are good, but they are really sharp and can cut
the hell out of pots if you do not know what you are doing.
young potters (not age, experience) often are fighting
the clay and the tool. makes for very unhappy trimming.
also. learning to tap center and attach the pots with
water..not balls of clay makes for really fast efficient trimming.
mel
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Dolita Dohrman on wed 24 oct 07
That is why I have a nice big damp box. No way am I trimming at 2:00 am
Dolita
On Oct 24, 2007, at 9:48 AM, mel jacobson wrote:
>
>
> i would trim pots at 2 a.m. if they were perfect for trimming.
Keba Hitzeman on wed 24 oct 07
Attaching the pots with water? Do you just dampen the rims and press down to seal the pot?
Keba
mel jacobson wrote:
i think too, finding that perfect wet/dry/time to trim
makes all the difference.
i have always said.
`you trim/turn when the pot is ready and perfect, not
when you are ready or wanting to trim.`
i would trim pots at 2 a.m. if they were perfect for trimming.
it is the big problem with art centers, mfa projects.
the pots are perfect when you are not there...so, when
you get there, they are still too wet, or too dry.
also:
use a variety of tools.
bison's are good, but they are really sharp and can cut
the hell out of pots if you do not know what you are doing.
young potters (not age, experience) often are fighting
the clay and the tool. makes for very unhappy trimming.
also. learning to tap center and attach the pots with
water..not balls of clay makes for really fast efficient trimming.
mel
from: mel/minnetonka.mn.usa
website: http://www.visi.com/~melpots/
Clayart page link: http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html
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Hank Murrow on wed 24 oct 07
On Oct 24, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Keba Hitzeman wrote:
> Attaching the pots with water? Do you just dampen the rims and
> press down to seal the pot?
>
> Keba
Dear Keba;
just slightly dampen the wheelhead and tap the bowl into center, then
tap it down onto the wheelhead sharply to seal it. trim away until
you are done and tap it off the wheelhead.
a later variation you can try is to throw a chuck on a bat when you
throw your bowls or whatever. dry the chuck to leather before you try
to trim and reserve the pots so they are ready when the chuck is.
Center the chuck on the wheelhead and drop the pot on it and tap into
center. trim untilyou think you are done and tap the pot off to
inspect. If it is done, drop another on. If it needs more trimming,
do that, etc.
I often use a very stiff foam rubber bat that I trim on........ as
the foam rubber really grips the pot nicely and doesn't marl the rim.
So many lovely things to try.......... so little time to try them all!
Cheers, Hank
www.murrow.biz/hank
WJ Seidl on wed 24 oct 07
With all due respect to Ms Dolita, I must disagree.
Most of the world is not awake when I have time to throw and trim. I
work on a... well, "eclectic" schedule. That's true for most
professionals doing what I do. Up at 3AM, done with most of the
commercial work by 7:30AM, then back to the residential work around 1PM
and done by 6 or so. It's a strange way to make a living, being on a
split shift, but it has it's perks. Early AM potting is just one of them.
I see the world when most of its two and four legged inhabitants are
snoring (oh yes you do, hard enough to ruffle the curtains...don't try
to deny it...I do too ).
So when I throw, it's usually after midnight, when the "rest" of the
world is asleep. Visitors to my outside workspace are raccoons, some of
the neighborhood cats, land crabs
scurrying by on their way to their next meal under some bush in the back
yard, the African barking tree frogs hunting and occasionally the tree
rats looking for "tasty morsels" that the
local fruit trees (and neighborhood cat food dishes) provide. Nocturnal
creatures, all quiet. Sometimes they sit on the wall near me and watch.
I never disturb them, they don't bother me. Win, win. I've been closer
to animals that no one else ever gets a chance to see than most. At that
hour, you get a chance to "go within" as Mark mentioned, meditate, think.
At that hour, you can concentrate easily, give yourself over to full
immersion in what you're doing. No barking dogs, no traffic noise, few
sirens...the world is at peace (seems like the only time these days).
Just a gentle hum of a wheel (or not, if I'm on a kick wheel), the
barely discernible grating sound of a trimming tool, the soft "squish"
of a sponge or a rib on clay. You have the night creatures and the
stars, and your thoughts to keep you company. You can do worse.
If you're lucky, you can catch a glimpse of the space station as it
passes over. It's the biggest brightest thing in the sky at that hour.
I'm less than 6 feet from a neighbor's bedroom window; in 15 years she
has never heard me at night. Or so she says. (I've asked, I certainly
don't want to bother anyone, after all. I try to be a good neighbor.)
I recommend 2 AM highly. Turn off your TV some evening, go take a two
or three hour nap instead.
Then, get up "early early" have a cuppa, and go throw something. It's a
whole different world.
Best,
Wayne Seidl
Dolita Dohrman wrote:
> That is why I have a nice big damp box. No way am I trimming at 2:00 am
> Dolita
>
> On Oct 24, 2007, at 9:48 AM, mel jacobson wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> i would trim pots at 2 a.m. if they were perfect for trimming.
>
> ______________________________________________________________________________
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