James and Sherron Bowen on mon 3 sep 07
modern packaging handling systems don't drop a package more than six inches.
JB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Suchman"
To:
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: Packaging for shipping
> When I moved to the west coast from Boston in 1984 I mailed all my
> belongings ahead in 40 boxes. The Post Office said that I should
> pack for things to drop safely from 3 feet. I'm guessing that that's
> the height of most of the conveyor belts.
> When I arrived the only damage I had was a dented pasta pot and 1
> broken espresso cup that was inside the pot.
> Needless to say that I use the 3 foot rule whenever I pack things
> to
> ship.
> My $0.02
> -Eric in Oceanside
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liz gowen on mon 3 sep 07
This topic comes up fairly regularly. I would like to suggest that =
regular
cardboard boxes, peanuts and bubble wrap work well for shipping to a =
certain
weight.
I received a 50 lb bag of an expensive glaze material from Axner
several years ago. The bag was put in a regular thickness cardboard box. =
The
bag arrived ripped and if it wasn't for the plastic bag with a twist tie =
it
was in, I wouldn't have been able to scoop up what was left of this
irreplaceable material. This was poorly packed.=20
I also bought a used spray booth a few years ago. The motor was
quite heavy yet arrived in a regular thickness cardboard box with A FEW
peanuts. It had been dropped and the UPS guy dropped it on the step and =
ran.
There was a round collar of metal that covered the wiring coming from =
the
motor. It was crushed and the wire cut. It cost 125.00 to have rewired =
and
repaired. This was POORLY PACKED for its weight by someone supposedly =
known
for good packing, Jonathan Kaplan. Neither of these were claimable.
A third package sent from a New Mexico Gallery, sorry forget the
name,shipped 4 crystalline vases separated by 1 small bubble, bubble =
wrap
and 1 cardboard box. 3 vases were broken THIS WAS POORLY PACKAGED yet I =
was
forced to file a claim with the US mail and they did pay it. This was =
the
galleries fault .
I think the same way we increase the size of a handle that we put on
a pot the larger it gets we also need to realize at a certain weight you
must move to double strength cardboard or a wooded crate and perhaps =
foam
that fills in the spaces between the box and the piece. I am sure I am =
not
the only one that pops the bubbles in bubble wrap, or steps on the =
peanuts.
How much strength does that take. Perhaps when getting to weightier
sculptures, equipment,and supplies stronger packaging needs to be used.
Liz Gowen
PS mind you MOST people do ship very well and things arrive without =
mishap.
I think tight and unshakable is as important as appropriate materials.
Eric Suchman on mon 3 sep 07
When I moved to the west coast from Boston in 1984 I mailed all my
belongings ahead in 40 boxes. The Post Office said that I should
pack for things to drop safely from 3 feet. I'm guessing that that's
the height of most of the conveyor belts.
When I arrived the only damage I had was a dented pasta pot and 1
broken espresso cup that was inside the pot.
Needless to say that I use the 3 foot rule whenever I pack things to
ship.
My $0.02
-Eric in Oceanside
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on tue 4 sep 07
Hi JB, all...
When mishaps occur on high Conveyor Belts of Distribution Centers,
Parcels/Packages can fall fifteen, twenty maybe thirty feet down onto
Concrete, and whatever else they hit along the way, including landing on
other innocent parcels.
My rule of thumb - a Parcel's contents should remain safe if the parcel is
thrown hard of a two story roof...
Phil
l v
----- Original Message -----
From: "James and Sherron Bowen"
> modern packaging handling systems don't drop a package more than six
> inches.
> JB
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Suchman"
>
>
>> When I moved to the west coast from Boston in 1984 I mailed all my
>> belongings ahead in 40 boxes. The Post Office said that I should
>> pack for things to drop safely from 3 feet. I'm guessing that that's
>> the height of most of the conveyor belts.
>> When I arrived the only damage I had was a dented pasta pot and 1
>> broken espresso cup that was inside the pot.
>> Needless to say that I use the 3 foot rule whenever I pack things
>> to
>> ship.
>> My $0.02
>> -Eric in Oceanside
Maurice Weitman on tue 4 sep 07
At 22:28 -0600 on 9/3/07, James and Sherron Bowen wrote:
>modern packaging handling systems don't drop a package more than six inches.
Probably so, but modern HUMAN package handlers love to throw packages
twenty or thirty feet, especially when they're marked FRAGILE and not
too heavy.
Regards,
Maurice
James and Sherron Bowen on tue 4 sep 07
"..modern HUMAN package handlers love to throw packages twenty or thirty
feet, especially when they're marked FRAGILE and not too heavy.
Urban legend.
JB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Maurice Weitman"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: Packaging for shipping
> At 22:28 -0600 on 9/3/07, James and Sherron Bowen wrote:
>>modern packaging handling systems don't drop a package more than six
>>inches.
>
> Probably so, but modern HUMAN package handlers love to throw packages
> twenty or thirty feet, especially when they're marked FRAGILE and not
> too heavy.
>
> Regards,
> Maurice
>
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Lee Love on wed 5 sep 07
On 9/5/07, Lois Ruben Aronow wrote:
> Yes, and they were replaced by government workers who have jobs for life and
> really don't give a shit what happens to your stuff. I'll take my chances
> with the conveyer belt, thanks very much.
I worked at UPS when delivery service was deregulated. That is
when numbers of packages moving throught the system became more
important that service or the care of the packages. Wages and
benefits took a nose dive too.
I don't believe postal workers employment has changed in modern
times. As you say, service varies. Ours here in Minnesota is very
good. The folks at my local post office treat you like old friends.
Maybe you should move? ;^)
--
Lee in Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
"Making pots should not be a struggle.
It should be like walking down a hill
in a gentle breeze." --Shoji Hamada
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
"For a democracy of excellence, the goal is not to reduce things to a
common denominator but to raise things to a shared worth."
--Paolo Soleri
judy motzkin on wed 5 sep 07
If you use styrofoam peanuts make sure you get the peanuts into all the
spaces and holes so pieces do not shift. Do this by pushing your hand deeply
into the box.
Please don't speak disparagingly about our dear UPS drivers. They are hard
working people with no evil intentions toward your pots.
We have used ups for 30 years with near perfect results. Pack it for giant
gorillas to handle, not that they are gorillas, but that they handle a lot
of stuff.
I don't buy peanuts, I get them free. I have one gallery that often has more
than it can use. Our local recycling center will take requests, but my most
successful haul was from posting a wanted on freecycle. Environmentally
aware people are keeping them in hopes of repurposing them. Give them the
chance, some will even drop them off at my studio. It is worth the effort to
keep them from the landfill.
So double box, push the filler in well, use lots of bubble wrap. Wrap is so
you can't tell what is in it. Recycle, reuse.
Judy
--
motzkin/studio::7 tufts street::cambridge,MA
www.motzkin.com
Lois Ruben Aronow on wed 5 sep 07
I used to love that commercial for Samsonite Luggage, where the baggage
handlers were (real) gorillas.
>
> "..modern HUMAN package handlers love to throw packages
> twenty or thirty feet, especially when they're marked FRAGILE
> and not too heavy.
>
> Urban legend.
>
> JB
>
Lois Ruben Aronow on wed 5 sep 07
Not according to my very own UPS man. Here in the Northeast, some of the
belts can be 50 feet up. If one box shirts, the others back up, and, well,
you know what happens next.
> modern packaging handling systems don't drop a package more
> than six inches.
> JB
>
Lee Love on wed 5 sep 07
On 9/4/07, Maurice Weitman wrote:
> Probably so, but modern HUMAN package handlers love to throw packages
> twenty or thirty feet, especially when they're marked FRAGILE and not
> too heavy.
This kind of junk talk burns my a**. I worked at UPS for
10 years and NEVER saw anybody throw a package. This is like the
mythical "welfare Cadillac." You'd never trash talk with the guys I
worked with. A large percentage of them were college athletes. And
moving 1.5 tons in 3 hours makes you buff, if you didn't start that
way.
Because of the rollers, slides and conveyor belts, the test
is, your package should be able to withstand a drop from shoulder
high.
I learned to pack in two places: at UPS re-wrap (you should
see the lousy packages people try to ship! And wrapping my teacher's
$35,000.00 pots. His were mostly in doubled boxed in wooden boxes,
but if they boxes were late being made, we would wrap the pots in
styrofoam paper. Boxes were made in such a way, that two boxes were
used to make one box, with the open end sliding into the other. The
box was lined with bubble pack. Wooden boxes could be packed side to
side. The Syrofoam papered work could be packed side by side too.
Lids had think styrofoam paper put between them and the body and were
taped down. Pots were wrapped in strips of close fitting paper
between them and the wooden boxes. Only had one broken pot in 3
years, but we suspected that the gallery broke the pot after they
unwrapped it.
--
Lee in Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
"Making pots should not be a struggle.
It should be like walking down a hill
in a gentle breeze." --Shoji Hamada
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
"For a democracy of excellence, the goal is not to reduce things to a
common denominator but to raise things to a shared worth."
--Paolo Soleri
James and Sherron Bowen on wed 5 sep 07
Don't use UPS. The Postal Service got rid of such systems 35 years ago.
JB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lois Ruben Aronow"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Packaging for shipping
> Not according to my very own UPS man. Here in the Northeast, some of the
> belts can be 50 feet up. If one box shirts, the others back up, and,
> well,
> you know what happens next.
>
>> modern packaging handling systems don't drop a package more
>> than six inches.
>> JB
>>
>
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Lee Love on wed 5 sep 07
On 9/5/07, James and Sherron Bowen wrote:
> Don't use UPS. The Postal Service got rid of such systems 35 years ago.
>
Actually, UPS is safer. And you should be able to drop a package
from shoulder height for the USPS too. UPS is geared toward packages.
The post office is geared toward letters, so in the truck, the
parcels are not as well secured.
Price is the biggest difference for me, especially for
international shipping. I usually use the post office. But I am a
professional packer. My sea mail packages from Japan were really
beat up. I imagine many packages belonging to other people were
broken when they bounced against my package. To look at them, you
know they were on rollers, conveyor belts and slides.
--
Lee in Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
"Making pots should not be a struggle.
It should be like walking down a hill
in a gentle breeze." --Shoji Hamada
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
"For a democracy of excellence, the goal is not to reduce things to a
common denominator but to raise things to a shared worth."
--Paolo Soleri
Lois Ruben Aronow on wed 5 sep 07
I predict a rant coming on.....
Never assume that because YOU have good mail service, so does everyone else.
I imagine there is better and more personalized service in smaller
communities.
Seriously - you have no idea how bad the USPS is here in Brooklyn.
Sometimes I get mail. Sometimes I don't. Sometimes they tell me there is a
package waiting. More often, they don't. If I DO get a package notice (no,
they NEVER EVER deliver it to the house - sometimes they do to the studio,
as we have commercial mail service) I will have to wait no less than an hour
on line - and that is when the window opens at 10am. Sometimes they find
the said package. Sometimes they don't - even if I have the beige slip. I
have witnessed the man getting out of the truck in front of my house and
putting the slip in my mailslot - WITHOUT EVER RINGING THE DAMN DOORBELL. I
chased him down the block, in my pj's, but didn't catch him. When I went to
the PO to get the package the next day, they didn't haveit and couldn't find
it. 2 weeks later, that same package was returned "no such addressee" to
it's stunned sender.
They claim to not have a manager available ever, and they definitely don't
have a phone number - at least a working one that they will give out. I
tried to collect a claim on an item I received broken. It was insured and I
had all the paperwork. I filled out a claim form and was told to leave the
broken item "for the manager". I never received my clim - over $150 -
because the post office later claimed they neverhad the item - even though I
had a receipt.
I have been told they don't sell stamps. At the post office.
They lost my kids passport renewal applications - along with their original
passports.
I have been calling to follow up on late net 30 payments - thousands of
dollars worth - that long-time, established customers sent and were not
delivered to me. One customer is really pissed off about having to make a
stop payment charge, so I offered to deduct that from her invoice. All to
get paid and keep a customer happy.
This is not unique to one post office. I deal with 2 different ones, and
there are 2 others in my locale that have similar - sometimes worse -
issues.
So I am DELIGHTED to pay a bit extra to UPS, because John and Kevin take
really good care of me. I can track deliveries to the minute online. And
yes, I tip at Xmas. Cash - not pots. Because they're worth it and I love
them.
Lois Ruben Aronow on wed 5 sep 07
Yes, and they were replaced by government workers who have jobs for life and
really don't give a shit what happens to your stuff. I'll take my chances
with the conveyer belt, thanks very much.
>
> Don't use UPS. The Postal Service got rid of such systems 35
> years ago.
> JB
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lois Ruben Aronow"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 4:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Packaging for shipping
>
>
> > Not according to my very own UPS man. Here in the
> Northeast, some of
> > the belts can be 50 feet up. If one box shirts, the others
> back up,
> > and, well, you know what happens next.
> >
> >> modern packaging handling systems don't drop a package
> more than six
> >> inches.
> >> JB
> >>
> >
> >
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Terrance Lazaroff on thu 6 sep 07
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 23:41:53 -0500, Lee Love wrote.
>> Yes, and they were replaced by government workers who have jobs for life
and
>> really don't give a shit what happens to your stuff. I'll take my chances
>> with the conveyer belt, thanks very much.
>
> I worked at UPS when delivery service was deregulated. That is
>when numbers of packages moving throught the system became more
>important that service or the care of the packages. Wages and
>benefits took a nose dive too.
----------------------
I found that when I have a city to big city direct delivery, the Bus system
works quite well. The package us only handled four times. Rates are quite
reasonable
Terrance
Lee Love on thu 6 sep 07
On 9/6/07, Terrance Lazaroff wrote:
> I found that when I have a city to big city direct delivery, the Bus system
> works quite well. The package us only handled four times. Rates are quite
> reasonable
My first "paycheck" job was between junior and senior years of H.S. at
Brook's Busline In Detroit. You can see a bus in front of the depot
where I worked (photo is about 8 years before I worked there):
http://www.angelfire.com/al3/biged1942/BrB-116_4106.jpg
We used to do charter buses for the Temptations and Gladys
Knight and the Pips. Had a shotgun armed night guard on duty. I
learned to box there. We bandaged our hands with red shop rags.
Many businesses shipped Detroit to Paducah and visa versa.
Not much handling is involved, just put the parcels/bags the bus and
out. But you need someone to deliver and someone to pick up from the
bus depots.
--
Lee in Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
"Making pots should not be a struggle.
It should be like walking down a hill
in a gentle breeze." --Shoji Hamada
Jean on sat 8 sep 07
Hi Everyone,
I've been very lucky regarding shipping, in that my packing and shipping
company is very familiar with the different companies. He uses different
ones for different parts of the country. For example, some places he never
recommends that I use UPS and some places he never recommends that I use
USPS, etc. We all seem to have varying experiences.
Jean Wadsworth Cochran
www.foxhollowpottery.com
"Never assume that because YOU have good mail service, so does everyone
else.
I imagine there is better and more personalized service in smaller
communities."
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