Cheryl Weickert6 on tue 28 aug 07
The best thing to do if you're not sure about a book, borrow it from the
library and if it's a good one with information your going to need, Buy
it! It's always a good investment to have a good personal library, books
can be read over and over again, it seems that you catch something new
every time.
Pinky, West central MN... feeling like fall already!
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:16:53 -0400, Lili Krakowski
wrote:
>Many Newbies on ClayArt seem hesitant to buy books!!!!!!!
>If you cannot buy, for pity's sake use your public library! Take notes!
Lili Krakowski on tue 28 aug 07
Many Newbies on ClayArt seem hesitant to buy books!!!!!!!
Why, I ask you, why?
Newbies will instigate long discussions about what wheel to buy --balancing
the merits of different ones with price differences of $100+. They will as
a rule buy huge monster kilns that can serve as guest houses, when--unless
they make big sculpture--a medium size kiln is all they will use
effectively. We get questions on lighting, flooring etc...all juggling
large sums of money.
Then we get questions about glazes, and techniques--which are amply
addressed by a cornucopia of books! I check the used book dealers on the
Internet once a week to see what books I can add to my library. Some ARE
pricey--but for the $200 you are not spending on tsatskes you can set
yourself up for life!
I am not discouraging anyone from going to workshops...or NCECA--but realize
that neither will teach you as much as the books you can buy for that money
will....Consider your library an ongoing workshop....The help you need when
you need it, and right at your elbow....
And for new books, and advice on books it's Steve Bronfman's The Potters
Shop--they know their stuff, they often have used books, give excellent
discounts--and are ClayArt family.
If you cannot buy, for pity's sake use your public library! Take notes!
And I know no one, have no commercial interest!
Lili Krakowski
Be of good courage
Lee Love on tue 28 aug 07
I would also recommend the library and inter library loan. I have
this $150.00 book coming to me from inter-library loan:
Japanese Modernisation and Mingei Theory: Cultural Nationalism and
Oriental Orientalism by Yuko Kikuchi (Hardcover - Jul 6, 2004)
A friend of ours lent it to my wife Jean in Mashiko, so I
thought I'd sign on to the Minneapolis library web page to do an
inter-library search and found it.
I also have Yangi's book on Mingei and two books on Hamada
including a catalog from England checked out from the Minneapolis
library system. You can even download movies!
--
Lee in Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
"Making pots should not be a struggle.
It should be like walking down a hill
in a gentle breeze." --Shoji Hamada
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Tig_Dupr=E9?= on wed 29 aug 07
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s on ClayArt seem hesitant to buy books! Why, I ask you, why?------------=
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Lili, et al.,
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Why, indeed? Why not a book, a mug of good coffee, and a quiet place to re=
ad (with notebook)? =20
=20
I just had a similar discussion with some of my office mates. We agreed th=
at far too many folks=20
want to be able to plug in to the Matrix, download the information directly=
to the cortex, wake
up, and suddenly know 10,000 years of pottery experience. The quick, easy,=
and above all,=20
PAINLESS solution to the problem.
=20
But, as Mark Twain so wisely observed, "Pain is a most effectual teacher. =
A man who carries a cat=20
by the tail gets a lesson he can learn in no other fashion." The journey, =
not the destination is the=20
important part of learning. I have found a whole bunch of ways that make a=
stonishingly ugly=20
glazes. In cone 6, cone 10, oxidation, reduction, raku, and pit fired. Ju=
st plain, butt-ugly glazes,=20
butt-ugly pots. Mark that page in the notebook, fellas. We ain't gonna do=
THAT one again!
=20
How's 'bout if'n we try this? Here, hold my beer while I mix up some of th=
is chemical stew...
=20
Reading books helps to avoid mistakes, and provides a jumping off point for=
other experimentation.
I have more books than I really need, but each single book has at least one=
priceless jewel of
information. And, as many books as I have, I would not trade a single one.=
Not one. I'll share=20
duplicates, but I treasure my books.
=20
On a personal note, I love to read. Probably read about 200 books a year. =
I've worn out several=20
library cards, have standing orders at a couple of book stores, and they're=
building a memorial wing
for me at Amazon.com because of all the books I've bought. There's maybe a=
few books I don't=20
have, but I'm working on it... =20
=20
My concern is that I am unable to get my 17 year old son to read at all. I=
have a whole section=20
of science fiction/fantasy--a favorite subject of his when it comes to vide=
o games--
but he will not read. Even when it comes to school work, he'll hold a book=
in front of his face, but
he will not READ it. And his school work is suffering for the lack. I've =
had his eyes tested and he=20
wears glasses. He has the ability to read, but not the drive to do so.
=20
Have any of you had the same problem? Short of stocks and pillory, or the =
Iron Maiden, what did
you do to encourage your youngsters to read?
=20
Thanks in advance for any help,
=20
Tig Dupre
in Port Orchard, WA
=
Anne Webb on wed 29 aug 07
Further to Lili's post, here is the site for Steve Branfman's "The Potters =
Shop": http://thepottersshop.blogspot.com/ =
He has the most extensive catalog of pottery books, vi=
deos, etc., that I am aware of, and if he doesn't have that something you =
are looking for, from my experience, he will try to find it for you. =
Re the library... Sometimes if you are looking=
for a book that they don't have and you make a special request for it, the=
y may put it on their list of books to acquire. =
Cheers! Anne =
(again, my apologies for lack of paragraph breaks..=
I puttem in, but ClayArt doesnt pick them up) > Date: T=
ue, 28 Aug 2007 09:16:53 -0400> From: mlkrakowski@CITLINK.NET> I am not dis=
couraging anyone from going to workshops...or NCECA--but realize> that neit=
her will teach you as much as the books you can buy for that money> will...=
.Consider your library an ongoing workshop....The help you need when> you n=
eed it, and right at your elbow....> > And for new books, and advice on boo=
ks it's Steve Bronfman's The Potters> Shop--they know their stuff, they oft=
en have used books, give excellent> discounts--and are ClayArt family.
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Anne Doyle on thu 30 aug 07
Tig,
Every year for Easter and Christmas, i give my daughters Gift Cards for
Chapter's and we go down as a family and they get to peruse the stacks and
choose something they would like to read. They always come away with a
treasure or two, and i come away knowing they are developping their own
experience of reading for pleasure as opposed to reading for school which
they have to do and dread. Honestly, i too have dread when i have to read
for work... reading for pleasure is so much nicer and whats pleasurable to
me might not be to another...
I was richly rewarded for my efforts this past year when my eldest, the
non-reader, bought her first books with her own credit card online from
Chapters... didn't even wait for the Gift Card!! Hey, it was a small thing
but huge to me...
Anne ,
in Saint-sauveur
Linda White on thu 30 aug 07
Tig,
I worked with first graders who were having trouble learning to read,
and the most important thing I found was to find a text that was
compelling to the child. Given that your son is 17, I would assume
that his reading, or not, has become an area where he can assert his
independence of you and the adult world. I would suggest that you try
to avoid referring to reading or books around him--give him a lot of
space. Then, see if you can think of areas where he actually is
reading--even if it's not what you consider good reading. Is he
involved in a chat group on the internet? That's where my daughter
really learned to write, and of course, she read what other members
wrote. Would he read a graphic novel? That's reading even if that's
not what you might consider it. Does he have a passion? Find a
gorgeous book on the subject and leave it lying on the coffee table.
At some point, every parent has to back off and let their child
become themselves--even if you don't like who that is. Concentrate on
the things in him that you do value, and thank God if he doesn't have
criminal tendencies.
Linda White
LickHaven Pottery
Dushore PA
Victoria E. Hamilton on thu 30 aug 07
Hi Tig -
Never had that problem with my youngest - he was reading "The Tibetan =
Book
of Living and Dying" at age 10! Grounding him and/or sending him to his
room never felt like punishment to him as long as he had a book to read.
However, he's also a Class A Geek (computer wizard, etc.)!
My oldest was another story! I was confounded one day - he was in the =
6th
or 7th grade I think, when he asked me to look up a word in the =
dictionary
for him. I suggested he look it up himself. He said "I don't want to =
waste
my time." Aaaaarrrrgggghhhhhh! Where did that come from? What he did =
read
was sports statistics of all things and became the basketball =
statistician
for his highschool team. When he went to college, he began reading =
plays
and is now an Equity Stage Manager and sound design person. I guess =
they
just have to find what they're interested in reading.
Books on how to do things are great up to a point - a lot of mistakes =
can be
avoided by researching something thoroughly. Then you just have to do =
it!
Vicki Hamilton
Millennia Antica Pottery
Seattle, WA
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Tig Dupr=E9
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 7:56 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Shameless book ad!
----------------------------<>--------------------------- Many =
Newbies
on ClayArt seem hesitant to buy books! Why, I ask you,
why?----------------------------<>---------------------------
Lili, et al.,
=20
Why, indeed? Why not a book, a mug of good coffee, and a quiet place to
read (with notebook)? =20
=20
I just had a similar discussion with some of my office mates. We agreed
that far too many folks want to be able to plug in to the Matrix, =
download
the information directly to the cortex, wake up, and suddenly know =
10,000
years of pottery experience. The quick, easy, and above all, PAINLESS
solution to the problem.
=20
But, as Mark Twain so wisely observed, "Pain is a most effectual =
teacher. A
man who carries a cat by the tail gets a lesson he can learn in no other
fashion." The journey, not the destination is the important part of
learning. I have found a whole bunch of ways that make astonishingly =
ugly
glazes. In cone 6, cone 10, oxidation, reduction, raku, and pit fired.
Just plain, butt-ugly glazes, butt-ugly pots. Mark that page in the
notebook, fellas. We ain't gonna do THAT one again!
=20
How's 'bout if'n we try this? Here, hold my beer while I mix up some of
this chemical stew...
=20
Reading books helps to avoid mistakes, and provides a jumping off point =
for
other experimentation.
I have more books than I really need, but each single book has at least =
one
priceless jewel of information. And, as many books as I have, I would =
not
trade a single one. Not one. I'll share duplicates, but I treasure my
books.
=20
On a personal note, I love to read. Probably read about 200 books a =
year.
I've worn out several library cards, have standing orders at a couple of
book stores, and they're building a memorial wing for me at Amazon.com
because of all the books I've bought. There's maybe a few books I don't
have, but I'm working on it... =20
=20
My concern is that I am unable to get my 17 year old son to read at all. =
I
have a whole section of science fiction/fantasy--a favorite subject of =
his
when it comes to video games-- but he will not read. Even when it comes =
to
school work, he'll hold a book in front of his face, but he will not =
READ
it. And his school work is suffering for the lack. I've had his eyes
tested and he wears glasses. He has the ability to read, but not the =
drive
to do so.
=20
Have any of you had the same problem? Short of stocks and pillory, or =
the
Iron Maiden, what did you do to encourage your youngsters to read?
=20
Thanks in advance for any help,
=20
Tig Dupre
in Port Orchard, WA
=20
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